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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 18 2013 11:32 GMT
#821
If you cant salvage your elo you belong at that elo.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 18 2013 11:34 GMT
#822
On May 18 2013 14:53 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 14:47 sung_moon wrote:


This has to be a really fucking fast Q->R right? For a second, I thought it was the other way around and tried doing R->Q but, couldn't get the reset.

Edit: Wait the more I watch it, the more I think its R->Q. Wth.


it's Q first and he times his R to land perfectly just as the Q buff is applied

No, there is a "grace period" even if you land R before the Q hits. I knew about it, but seeing it it's... super long, wtf. O_o It's so permissive.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 18 2013 11:38 GMT
#823
On May 18 2013 20:32 sob3k wrote:
If you cant salvage your elo you belong at that elo.


Love high ranked players who talk out of their ass like this.
Useless wet fish.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 11:47:13
May 18 2013 11:46 GMT
#824
On May 18 2013 20:32 sob3k wrote:
If you cant salvage your elo you belong at that elo.

You don't understand his point at all. He is not saying he does not deserve his elo, he says his way of playing is bad and he needs to start all over - not to get a new fresh account to grind up elo, but to change his mind set and play better, change his champ pool, etc.
When I was playing SC2, or even WC3, I had a high ranked accounts (high master in SC2, lvl 45 in WC3) but when I wanted to improve, I always took an account from a friend, or create a new one on WC3, and played a ton with no stress and completly fresh mindset. Helped a lot.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11501 Posts
May 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#825
It is true, though. I have not yet heard an argument against it that is does not defy basic statistics. As long as you assume that the matchmaking does not have a grudge against you, if you are better then the elo you play in, you should eventually ascend.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:05:48
May 18 2013 11:55 GMT
#826
On May 18 2013 20:47 Simberto wrote:
It is true, though. I have not yet heard an argument against it that is does not defy basic statistics. As long as you assume that the matchmaking does not have a grudge against you, if you are better then the elo you play in, you should eventually ascend.

Can you prove me that the chance that there are feeders in your ranking team actually follow a normal law if you play enough game, and not a heavy tailed distribution ?
How random is random really.

Just trolling but I didn't see him saying that the elo system is good or bad, he was implying that the ranking system does not permit him to improve. When you are too tense about your play and your position in ranked, it's really hard to improve.
It would actually better if people gave their perspective on what is the best way to improve in LOL because from my perspective it's way more difficult than in other games. I improved a lot going from Silver IV to Gold II in a few weeks playing a few number of champions. Then I hit a wall and now I'm back to sucking.
I would actually take any advice on how to get better at this game.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:03:25
May 18 2013 12:02 GMT
#827
elo hell discussion, here we come again...

On May 18 2013 20:07 Fionn wrote:
I've decided to just start over. From a watching and breaking down standpoint, I pretty much got it, but my mechanics and in-time game decisions need to be reworked completely. I jumped into ranked too soon, did average (5-5) and then just wasn't good enough to carry in low divisions and have fallen to a place where I'm not going to get better. Time to work up correctly.


How is your plan to start over? It probably isn't just playing ranked again? How do you plan to work up correctly?
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 18 2013 12:02 GMT
#828
EUW is down right ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#829
On May 18 2013 21:02 -Zoda- wrote:
EUW is down right ?


seems up again/ tons of log-in que.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11501 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 12:12:30
May 18 2013 12:11 GMT
#830
On May 18 2013 20:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 20:47 Simberto wrote:
It is true, though. I have not yet heard an argument against it that is does not defy basic statistics. As long as you assume that the matchmaking does not have a grudge against you, if you are better then the elo you play in, you should eventually ascend.

Can you prove me that the chance that there are feeders in your ranking team actually follow a normal law if you play enough game, and not a heavy tailed distribution ?
How random is random really.

Just trolling but I didn't see him saying that the elo system is good or bad, he was implying that the ranking system does not permit him to improve. When you are too tense about your play and your position in ranked, it's really hard to improve.
It would actually better if people gave their perspective on what is the best way to improve in LOL because from my perspective it's way more difficult than in other games. I improved a lot going from Silver IV to Gold II in a few weeks playing a few number of champions. Then I hit a wall and now I'm back to sucking.
I would actually take any advice on how to get better at this game.


I don't think any of that would be a problem, as long as you assume that the available players are randomly distributed into the two teams. This is pretty much the only necessary assumption for feeders to work to your benefit.

However, come to think of it, there is a situation that would work and keep you lower then you deserve to be. What, if it is not feeders deciding games, but people who carry hard? If you are slightly better then your elo, but most of the games are decided by one guy smashing the enemy team hard. In that case the whole 4/9 probability thing would work against you. Of course this leads to problems like "why are those people even at this elo, and how did they arrive there without losing a lot of games beforehand?" Of course i have never seen someone claim this, but this would actually work if you have magically appearing good people at low elos.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
May 18 2013 12:19 GMT
#831
Damn 20mins queue at 2pm on saturday? GG riot.

Btw jungle darius sucks because you have less of a late game than your average top lane darius, and that is saying alot because he sucks late even being fed. He's kinda like pantheon, if you fail early, you surrender at 20. You have to get several early kills to be worth being on the team.
Best Teemo World
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 18 2013 12:21 GMT
#832
Man 25min login queue, back to Neverwinter I guess.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 18 2013 12:33 GMT
#833
On May 18 2013 20:55 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 20:47 Simberto wrote:
It is true, though. I have not yet heard an argument against it that is does not defy basic statistics. As long as you assume that the matchmaking does not have a grudge against you, if you are better then the elo you play in, you should eventually ascend.

Can you prove me that the chance that there are feeders in your ranking team actually follow a normal law if you play enough game, and not a heavy tailed distribution ?
How random is random really.

Just trolling but I didn't see him saying that the elo system is good or bad, he was implying that the ranking system does not permit him to improve. When you are too tense about your play and your position in ranked, it's really hard to improve.
It would actually better if people gave their perspective on what is the best way to improve in LOL because from my perspective it's way more difficult than in other games. I improved a lot going from Silver IV to Gold II in a few weeks playing a few number of champions. Then I hit a wall and now I'm back to sucking.
I would actually take any advice on how to get better at this game.


What worked for me (In promotion to Diamond 3 right now), is playing with a very limited champion pool. It's like driving, once you know how to drive it works "automatically" and you can focus on the street instead of focusing on using the gear etc..
Also focus on one thing at a time. First thing would obviously be last hitting.
At one point I just focussed on not dieng. I didn't took much risks, literally never died in lane and barely afterwards, but in the beginning didn't get much kills either. You learn pretty fast what you can do and what not without dieng, and you'll start to get alot of kills because you have so much up time. Another thing to focus on would be to always know what's going on on the map (mini map). (Unless you played BW) your laning will suffer quite a bit at first, but it's ok.
If you know how to not die, you can play overaggressive for awhile to learn where the limits are.
Plenty of stuff to learn/focus on.

That worked decently for me at least.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
May 18 2013 12:35 GMT
#834
Great, so not only did I not get LP from last match, now ranked is disabled. EUW server could literally not get any worse.
Best Teemo World
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 18 2013 12:53 GMT
#835
On May 18 2013 20:32 sob3k wrote:
If you cant salvage your elo you belong at that elo.

You're missing a fundamental problem with people in general: They don't play consistently. It's true at the pro level, and it's even MORE true at the lower tiers.

Many of us did it multiple times in Brood War or WC3 - swapped accounts to give us a soft reset while (well not everyone did this step but it's really important) using the reset to mentally refocus. There's probably something psychological about the clean slate that makes it easier to do.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
May 18 2013 13:01 GMT
#836
serious question for the better players out there (at least diamond!)

i have an opportunity to play for a better team, but it's sorta contingent on me improving my mechanics (i play support). is there anyone who knows of a good/consistent way to improve one's mechanics?

thanks! (you can also PM me)
cool beans
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 18 2013 13:06 GMT
#837
I would totally level a new account if it wasn't a pain to get runes again.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
May 18 2013 13:06 GMT
#838
On May 18 2013 22:01 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
serious question for the better players out there (at least diamond!)

i have an opportunity to play for a better team, but it's sorta contingent on me improving my mechanics (i play support). is there anyone who knows of a good/consistent way to improve one's mechanics?

thanks! (you can also PM me)

play the game? mechanical skill purely comes from just repeating the same thing over and over till you can do it without thinking.
Chun-li since ST
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 13:11:03
May 18 2013 13:10 GMT
#839
Wow I just watched.

http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/state-of-the-league-lcs-na-all-stars-special-6408559/

Gotta say that interview has got me really hyped for all-stars now. I don't even like the state of the leagues, but that was a good interview.

NA seems pretty confident they will do well and I really want to see it happen. The more interesting thing though is how they all seem to be having more FUN in general with this team.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 13:20:10
May 18 2013 13:20 GMT
#840
On May 18 2013 09:17 schmutttt wrote:
Apparently a big team change in NA will be revealed in next 48 hours, who do you think it'll be?

nien to curse imo.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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