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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
June 09 2013 21:14 GMT
#6721
On June 10 2013 03:25 TheLink wrote:
Been reading all these starcraft WCS threads and it's fascinating to me how if a game isn't a pair of top-50 players then you're wasting your time. All events should always only consist of the best. After all, our goal is to show top quality starcraft right? With Riot though I spend months watching LCS where I become attached to local teams (culturally if not physically local) and then cheer as they head off to represent on the international stage every now and again. I know they'll get crushed by the Asians but I still cheer for them, hell the Raiders haven't won anything in decades now.

I know LCSNA is far from the pinnacle of LoL competition but I realise it's just a buildup to the big one at the end of the year where I will see the absolute top and that enhances my enjoyment of both events. It's not as though its even an entertainment over skill sort of thing as I do see the very best. It's just I see it when all the teams come together a few times a year rather than every weekend.


I agree with so much of this. I still follow SC2 and while reading those threads, the same thoughts were running through my head.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2013 21:16 GMT
#6722
On June 10 2013 06:06 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 06:04 Jojo131 wrote:
Or its all just an elaborate troll and Riot releases the best DRAVEN skin to ever grace summoner's rift

+ Show Spoiler +
DRAVEN! :D


I don't get people's obsession with Draven. It's like a forced thing on LoL. Same with hating on Teemo on reddit. Never will figure that out.

Also didn't they just release gladiator Draven a few weeks back?

Confirmed for inability to grow an awesome stache and inability to twirl axes.


the teemo thing is more compelling imo. He's a bitch to lane against.
liftlift > tsm
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 21:27:36
June 09 2013 21:26 GMT
#6723
On June 10 2013 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 06:06 ketchup wrote:
On June 10 2013 06:04 Jojo131 wrote:
Or its all just an elaborate troll and Riot releases the best DRAVEN skin to ever grace summoner's rift

+ Show Spoiler +
DRAVEN! :D


I don't get people's obsession with Draven. It's like a forced thing on LoL. Same with hating on Teemo on reddit. Never will figure that out.

Also didn't they just release gladiator Draven a few weeks back?

Confirmed for inability to grow an awesome stache and inability to twirl axes.


the teemo thing is more compelling imo. He's a bitch to lane against.


Well, it could be more natural like when Garen/Demacia came around. I doubt Riot thought spin to win was going to take off as it did. Draven, on the other hand, is very much a manufactured product. He was 100% meant to appeal as the image he has now. Maybe that's why I dislike it. There was nothing the public/community did except latch onto Riot's plans.

Teemo is also quite natural in how people react to it. I doubt Riot thought Teemo would be as polarizing as it is or as popular as it's become. Though, judging by how techies are in DotA, I guess they had some idea. I just don't think it's too forced compared to what Draven has become. Redditors do push it overboard though with that hate on teemo inside joke thing they have going there.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 09 2013 21:28 GMT
#6724
On June 10 2013 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 06:06 ketchup wrote:
On June 10 2013 06:04 Jojo131 wrote:
Or its all just an elaborate troll and Riot releases the best DRAVEN skin to ever grace summoner's rift

+ Show Spoiler +
DRAVEN! :D


I don't get people's obsession with Draven. It's like a forced thing on LoL. Same with hating on Teemo on reddit. Never will figure that out.

Also didn't they just release gladiator Draven a few weeks back?

Confirmed for inability to grow an awesome stache and inability to twirl axes.


the teemo thing is more compelling imo. He's a bitch to lane against.


Because Draven is fun to watch, fun to play with a pain to play against a good one and he spins freaking axes while acting like a WWF wrestler. People who don't like Draven do not exist, they just haven't been Dravenized yet.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 09 2013 21:29 GMT
#6725
lol entire time i though kennen has no wave clear which discouraged me from buying him but in fact he is better at clearing waves than rumble (not in siege scenerio ofc)
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 21:34:52
June 09 2013 21:33 GMT
#6726
On June 10 2013 06:14 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:25 TheLink wrote:
Been reading all these starcraft WCS threads and it's fascinating to me how if a game isn't a pair of top-50 players then you're wasting your time. All events should always only consist of the best. After all, our goal is to show top quality starcraft right? With Riot though I spend months watching LCS where I become attached to local teams (culturally if not physically local) and then cheer as they head off to represent on the international stage every now and again. I know they'll get crushed by the Asians but I still cheer for them, hell the Raiders haven't won anything in decades now.

I know LCSNA is far from the pinnacle of LoL competition but I realise it's just a buildup to the big one at the end of the year where I will see the absolute top and that enhances my enjoyment of both events. It's not as though its even an entertainment over skill sort of thing as I do see the very best. It's just I see it when all the teams come together a few times a year rather than every weekend.


I agree with so much of this. I still follow SC2 and while reading those threads, the same thoughts were running through my head.

It seems to me that people in the SC2 community just want to watch the best of the best and if it's not 2 koreans playing they don't really care. It shows in threads where people were talking about a regional NA/EU league or something and people were totally against it. It's not like it would impact GSL at all and it could only strengthen the SC2 scene but people were still crying about it being pointless.

I would rather be able to watch NFL games (GSL) and College league games (regional NA/EU leagues). Having regional leagues allows people to make a living doing eSports and that in turn means more people will make it to the top tier. It seems to me right now your either a top tier player who can make a living in gaming at the top level of play and any one else who isn't S class can't survive on just gaming.
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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 09 2013 21:40 GMT
#6727
On June 10 2013 06:06 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 06:04 Jojo131 wrote:
Or its all just an elaborate troll and Riot releases the best DRAVEN skin to ever grace summoner's rift

+ Show Spoiler +
DRAVEN! :D


I don't get people's obsession with Draven. It's like a forced thing on LoL. Same with hating on Teemo on reddit. Never will figure that out.

Also didn't they just release gladiator Draven a few weeks back?

Ever watched pro wrestling? It's kinda like that!

Riot couldn't have released a more perfect champion.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 09 2013 21:47 GMT
#6728
Phreak is getting 30K viewers right now, wtf. I guess LOL is just huge.
Terran
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 09 2013 21:54 GMT
#6729
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 09 2013 21:59 GMT
#6730
Dan Dinh just knew what was up 4 months in advance, guys. Eve jungle 4 lyfe
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2013 22:02 GMT
#6731
On June 10 2013 06:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.

Lol currently? She's been stupidly effective in the jungle since her remake. The issue was her lane counterpart got the lime light
liftlift > tsm
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 09 2013 22:05 GMT
#6732
On June 10 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 06:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.

Lol currently? She's been stupidly effective in the jungle since her remake. The issue was her lane counterpart got the lime light

And I assure you she was even worse in testing. Eve just has the problem where she can initiate onto people from multiple angels without anyone being aware of it. Then again, I also wonder sometimes if that is really such a big problem.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2013 22:09 GMT
#6733
On June 10 2013 07:05 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 06:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.

Lol currently? She's been stupidly effective in the jungle since her remake. The issue was her lane counterpart got the lime light

And I assure you she was even worse in testing. Eve just has the problem where she can initiate onto people from multiple angels without anyone being aware of it. Then again, I also wonder sometimes if that is really such a big problem.

She's strong in jungle right now , but I don't think she's op'd currently. Back when her ulti did percent max health, you literally just farm up to dfg as fast as possible. You one shot anyone who didn't have 3 mr items.
liftlift > tsm
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 09 2013 22:14 GMT
#6734
On June 10 2013 07:05 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 06:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.

Lol currently? She's been stupidly effective in the jungle since her remake. The issue was her lane counterpart got the lime light

And I assure you she was even worse in testing. Eve just has the problem where she can initiate onto people from multiple angels without anyone being aware of it. Then again, I also wonder sometimes if that is really such a big problem.

Does stealth for Eve work similarly to every other stealth champ? (just get a pink etc)
If so then i could see the conflict, and even then it seems silly to argue "all 3 lanes shouldn't have to ward just to counter 1 champion" because if you think about it Eve (especially jungle) becomes pretty useless if she can't sneak up on anyone.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 09 2013 22:15 GMT
#6735
Wait for the jungle items nerfs and we'll see. She has pretty damn strong counterjungling because unless she gets bursted down or fights straight-up duelists (Jarvan, Lee, Xin... I guess she could beat Vi just because she'd run circles around her and walk away as soon as she sees a Q charging) because her sustained damage is always high and E+ elder lizard (or just E at early levels) give her good burst too.
Maybe losing a bit of power there will help.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
June 09 2013 22:16 GMT
#6736
I've yet to play a multiplayer game where the benefits of adding stealth outweighed the balance issues and frustration that comes with it. I can't think of a single multiplayer game where I wouldn't have preferred to have stealth removed.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 22:18:34
June 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#6737
spirit of the elderl lizard eve is dumb as fk, she can easily 1v1 lee sin with that item QQQQQQQQQQQQQ for the win
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#6738
On June 10 2013 07:16 Badboyrune wrote:
I've yet to play a multiplayer game where the benefits of adding stealth outweighed the balance issues and frustration that comes with it. I can't think of a single multiplayer game where I wouldn't have preferred to have stealth removed.

Spies in TF2 are pretty manageable, it's all a mind game.
+ Show Spoiler +
Unless you play Pyro
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 09 2013 22:24 GMT
#6739
On June 10 2013 04:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Listen. I'm sure you guys already know about this, but I have to mention it anyways.

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

This is my new life-ruiner.

Edit: THEY EVEN HAVE AN ONLINE RANKING AND ELO.

Fuck that, I don't need another Elo based ranking in my life I'm bad at. Need MoonBear to teach me all about the Pokemon meta.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 09 2013 22:25 GMT
#6740
On June 10 2013 07:14 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 07:05 MoonBear wrote:
On June 10 2013 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 06:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Eve is currently insanely OP as a jungler. If you disagree with that you need to go try her out, SotEL -> Liandry's -> Zhonya's/Abyssal/Rylais is stupid.

Lol currently? She's been stupidly effective in the jungle since her remake. The issue was her lane counterpart got the lime light

And I assure you she was even worse in testing. Eve just has the problem where she can initiate onto people from multiple angels without anyone being aware of it. Then again, I also wonder sometimes if that is really such a big problem.

Does stealth for Eve work similarly to every other stealth champ? (just get a pink etc)
If so then i could see the conflict, and even then it seems silly to argue "all 3 lanes shouldn't have to ward just to counter 1 champion" because if you think about it Eve (especially jungle) becomes pretty useless if she can't sneak up on anyone.

Yes, Pinks will detect Eve.

Your argument can apply to nearly any jungler though because you can argue that wards make junglers useless if all 3 lanes are warded, and Greens have longer ranger than Pinks. You can argue that Eve can lane gank well but again, so can many other junglers.

On June 10 2013 07:16 Badboyrune wrote:
I've yet to play a multiplayer game where the benefits of adding stealth outweighed the balance issues and frustration that comes with it. I can't think of a single multiplayer game where I wouldn't have preferred to have stealth removed.

But then what will we do without Bronzie the Bear, Destroyer of Worlds?

ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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