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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 09 2013 18:53 GMT
#6681
On June 10 2013 03:45 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:34 Diamond wrote:
Eve jungle is freelo man, abuse that shit! I have been !

http://www.lolking.net/champions/evelynn#statistics

Not really. You just have small sample sizes and confounding variables (like being bad with other champs relative to Eve, or being lucky playing against people who don't know how to play against Eve) that cause you to overinflate her strength.


Or, most people suck with Eve? Or a lot of those games are lane Eve?

Don't throw random stats around with no context, doesn't really work well. Also I'll never forget Olaf was nerfed into the ground at 48% winrate in solo que, solo que win stats is not really much.

Yeah, so you're saying you're just really good with Eve compared to the average Eve at your Elo which is believeable. That's fine, but most people are not as good with Eve.

She's not "freelo" for everyone and not for most people.

To everyone: don't trust TL's hipsterdom blindly. If someone says Karma is OP but you play her and don't think she's strong then don't play her.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
June 09 2013 18:53 GMT
#6682
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 18:57:09
June 09 2013 18:54 GMT
#6683
so we should trust lolking winrates more than advice from people we can make a logical conclusion about based on their post history LOL OK. (although to be honest I'd put her more under "good" than "OP")
Carrilord has arrived.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 09 2013 18:55 GMT
#6684
On June 10 2013 03:53 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:45 Diamond wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:41 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:34 Diamond wrote:
Eve jungle is freelo man, abuse that shit! I have been !

http://www.lolking.net/champions/evelynn#statistics

Not really. You just have small sample sizes and confounding variables (like being bad with other champs relative to Eve, or being lucky playing against people who don't know how to play against Eve) that cause you to overinflate her strength.


Or, most people suck with Eve? Or a lot of those games are lane Eve?

Don't throw random stats around with no context, doesn't really work well. Also I'll never forget Olaf was nerfed into the ground at 48% winrate in solo que, solo que win stats is not really much.

Yeah, so you're saying you're just really good with Eve compared to the average Eve at your Elo which is believeable. That's fine, but most people are not as good with Eve.

She's not "freelo" for everyone and not for most people.

To everyone: don't trust TL's hipsterdom blindly. If someone says Karma is OP but you play her and don't think she's strong then don't play her.

soniv tanked my wins by saying Karma OP

jk my wins are always tanked


=(
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 09 2013 18:55 GMT
#6685
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 09 2013 18:56 GMT
#6686
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 09 2013 18:57 GMT
#6687
On June 10 2013 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.


Yea so if it's not Udyr, then Mordekaiser is somewhat likely.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
June 09 2013 19:03 GMT
#6688
On June 10 2013 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.

Well there goes that theory then.

Surprising that Morello would make the freijlord error after to my hype went into the rewrites though.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 09 2013 19:04 GMT
#6689
On June 10 2013 03:57 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.


Yea so if it's not Udyr, then Mordekaiser is somewhat likely.


Part of me does wish it were Diana because HELLS YES, but Mordekaiser and Udyr seem to be the best choices considering "spirit" along with the other parameters.

I also don't believe the Freljord comment because of all the reasons already mentioned, but if that's the case than Morde is pretty much all that's left.

But I hope it's Udyr or Diana because I want to play with this one.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 09 2013 19:05 GMT
#6690
On June 10 2013 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.

yea i dont get why people say its udyr when it was clearly said 4th latter is E wtf
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 09 2013 19:08 GMT
#6691
On June 10 2013 04:05 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


I am almost certain it was the 4th letter being E


It was the fourth letter.

yea i dont get why people say its udyr when it was clearly said 4th latter is E wtf


PhoEnix stance?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 19:16:05
June 09 2013 19:10 GMT
#6692
Jesus people need to calm down, I was exaggerating a bit, obviously. Eve is not free wins but she's in a very strong spot atm with amazing itemization options, global gold drain on the enemy team buying pinks, and having an absurd ability to win a game very early (like Shaco) but with an actual mid to late game (unlike Shaco).

Edit: I hope it's Diana, RIOT PLS
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2013 19:11 GMT
#6693
On June 10 2013 04:10 Diamond wrote:
Jesus people need to calm down, I was exaggerating a bit, obviously. Eve is not free wins but she's in a very strong spot atm with itemization and causes a global gold drain on the enemy team buying pinks.

Edit: I hope it's Diana, RIOT PLS


Or she just kills everything, yeah. lol.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 19:17:39
June 09 2013 19:16 GMT
#6694
Listen. I'm sure you guys already know about this, but I have to mention it anyways.

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

This is my new life-ruiner.

Edit: THEY EVEN HAVE AN ONLINE RANKING AND ELO.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 09 2013 19:19 GMT
#6695
Just saying, Mordekaiser has 2 skills where the fourth letter is E. He's melee. His ult takes control of a dead enemy's spirit. He isn't Freljord.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 09 2013 19:23 GMT
#6696
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


one of saints favourite champs
tige-r phe-onix
Udyr - The Spirit Walker
?!?
doesnt take a genius
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 19:25:54
June 09 2013 19:24 GMT
#6697
Wait. When was it confirmed the next ultimate skin champ won't be from Freljord?
On June 10 2013 04:23 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


one of saints favourite champs
tige-r phe-onix
Udyr - The Spirit Walker
?!?
doesnt take a genius

If it really is for a champ that's not from Freljord then it won't be for Udyr 'cause Udyr is now from Freljord.

Although I was pretty darn sure it was going to be for Udyr considering Spirit Summoner Udyr has been hinted at for ages.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#6698
On June 10 2013 04:23 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


one of saints favourite champs
tige-r phe-onix
Udyr - The Spirit Walker
?!?
doesnt take a genius


I forgot about the Saint's favorite champs part. That means that Morde is also unlikely. However you look at it, there must be some inaccuracy in the information given to us, or NO champ fits.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#6699
I did some digging and it could still be Udyr despite the Freljord comment,
Q: [NarbYo]Is the upcoming ultimate skin Freljord related?

A: [MorelloRiot]Nope :D


It's probably still Udyr. They probably just meant it wasn't related to the Freljord. But I really don't want it to be a skin for a champion that I never play ever.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2013 19:34 GMT
#6700
On June 10 2013 04:24 Ryuu314 wrote:
Wait. When was it confirmed the next ultimate skin champ won't be from Freljord?
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 04:23 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 10 2013 03:53 Amarok wrote:
Calling it right now, the ultimate skin is for Nasus. The clues were Spirit (Spirit Fire), fifth letter of a skill being E (WithEr), not Frejlord (ruling out Udyr) and of course melee. The dog is the only one that ticks all the boxes and has potential for legendary animations/effects worthy of an ultimate (Wither effect, Spirit Fire effect and of course his Ultimate) where primal is about as awesome as you could make Udyr.


one of saints favourite champs
tige-r phe-onix
Udyr - The Spirit Walker
?!?
doesnt take a genius

If it really is for a champ that's not from Freljord then it won't be for Udyr 'cause Udyr is now from Freljord.

Although I was pretty darn sure it was going to be for Udyr considering Spirit Summoner Udyr has been hinted at for ages.


Well, there was big hullabulloo about people being pissed that Udyr not supposed to be from Freljord...
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