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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
I just wish those two just laned against each other though. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Ice Whipper(This isn't the name at all, name suggestions?). Sort of a baddie / evil person, probably Lissandra's ally. 600 range. Has a smaller, more normal whip in one hand that she uses for basic attacks and another, larger frosty whip in her other hand that she uses for her skills. She is a combo-based champion that is centered around spell combinations and good timing. Passive: Chilling Barrage Ice Whipper's spells all have a 1 second delay after they've been used before she can cast spells again. However, her spells can all be cancelled into her other spells. Canceling a spell into another will cause the canceled spell to have a bonus effect. Has 3/5/7 max charges and gains a new charge every 28/20/12 seconds. Consumes a charge and grants the bonus effect even if the first skill didn't go off(or you canceled too fast). Q: Ice Whip 40/50/60/70/80 mana 700 range, 325 radius, 900 on the pull. 40/55/70/85/100(+0.2/AP and 1/2/3/4% of enemy's maximum health) magic damage 22/20/18/16/14 second cooldown Deals double damage to minions and monsters. After a 0.5 second delay, Ice Whipper Swings her frozen whip at the target area of 325 radius, causing all targets to become frozen solid(like a stun but unaffected by tenacity) for 0.5 seconds, after which it applies frost and the targets are slowed by 30% for 1.5 seconds. She gains a single target skill for 0.5 seconds that can only be used on champions that are frozen solid. This second activation also uses 40/50/60/70/80 mana. When applied, she deals the damage of the skill to the target champion for a second time, pulls the champion towards her current location, making the target spin while being pulled. Disables, the duration of the pull depends on the distance the opponent is from her, pulling at 400 units a second for a maximum of 600 units. Tenacity doesn't apply to the pull but it can be cleansed. Using the pull places a buff on the target that prevents it from being pulled again for 7.5 seconds. When canceled into from another spell, deals 100% bonus damage on the initial hit and refreshes Glacial Lash(E)'s cooldown W: Frozen Tornado 80/90/100/110/120 mana 350/425/500 radius centered around herself 80/100/120/140/160(+0.4/AP) minimum total damage, 160/200/240/280/320(+0.8/AP) maximum total magical damage 16/15/14/13/12 second cooldown When the skill is first activated, the Ice Whipper begins to charge the move and holds her frosty whip above her head and it begins to increasingly flash with icy effects. After 1 second and 2 second(automatically releases the skill after 3 seconds) threshholds the whip flashes very brightly and the skills's damage becomes multiplied by 1.5 and 2.0 respectively, affecting the base damage as well as the AP ratio. The radius of the attack also increases by 125 per second of charging. She can move while charging and can also use basic attacks while charging. She can cancel into other skills while charging, but the mana will not be refunded. This skill will not go on cooldown when another skill is used while charging. She can flash while charging, but she will only hold the charge after flashing if she's fully charged the skill(so she needs to be in between 2 and 3 seconds). When fully charged, the skill deals an additional 25% damage to targets that are movement impaired in some way. When the skill is activated for a second time or goes off automatically, she swings her whip all around her instantly for 20/25/30/35/40(+0.1/AP)- 40/50/60/70/80(+0.2/AP) damage and applies the same amount of damage every 0.3 seconds to a total of 4 times, with the final tick at 0.9 seconds knocking them a 450 unit distance away from her over the course of 0.5 seconds. In addition, if the skill is charged to the maximum, she will apply frost on the enemy for 2 seconds, slowing them for 30% for the duration. The attack and charging will both stop if she is CC'd during either. When cancelled to from another spell, reduces both the charge time and the cast time to half their normal amounts. In addition, hitting an opponent with the final tick of the attack refreshes Ice Whip(Q)'s cooldown. E: Frosty Lash 40/45/50/55/60 mana 750 range 40/60/80/100/120(+0.3/AP) magical damage. 6/5.5/5/4.5/4 second cooldown Ice Whipper uses her fosty whip to lash at a single target, dealing damage to it. Deals 50% bonus damage and has the damage spread to enemies around it in a 325 radius if it stikes a target with Frost applied to it. When canceled to from another skill, causes her next basic attack to deal a bonus of 30/50/70/90/110(+0.25) magic damage. In addition, she can now activate her Frosty Lash for a second time to snare her target for 0.5 seconds and pull herselt next to them. R: Glacial Blizzard 150/200/250 mana 800 range, 500 radius 200/300/400(+0.7/AP) magical damage over 1 second. 180/150/120 second cooldown Can target a single enemy target. Ice Whipper lashes the target so hard with her frozen whip that the target will have Frozen Solid applied to them for 1.5 seconds. In addition, for 1 second, icy needles begin to rain down from the sky, every 0.1 seconds, damaging enemies and applying both Chilled and Frost in the area over the 1 second duration. Chilled reduces the enemy magic resistance by 1/2/3 per stack, stacking up to 10 times for 3 seconds. In addition, each tick of Glacial Blizzard deals 50% bonus damage to targets with Frozen Solid applied to them. After the initial whiplash, Ice Whipper is able to cancel into any other skill without the icy rain being interrupted. When canceled to from another skill, refreshes the cooldown on Frozen Tornado. In addition, also slows targets around the initial target in a 500 unit radius by 95% for 1.5 seconds. Hopefully there's no silly mistakes. I tried to keep the numbers low because with all the combos and conditional bonus damage it really adds up. Those numbers shouldn't of course be absolute, they're there just to give a general idea. How does the concept seem? | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:39 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Champion Idea] + Hmm I've been thinking about a champion concept for some time for the theme of Freljord. Ice Whipper(This isn't the name at all, name suggestions?). Sort of a baddie / evil person, probably Lissandra's ally. 600 range. Has a smaller, more normal whip in one hand that she uses for basic attacks and another, larger frosty whip in her other hand that she uses for her skills. She is a combo-based champion that is centered around spell combinations and good timing. Passive: Chilling Barrage Ice Whipper's spells all have a 1 second delay after they've been used before she can cast spells again. However, her spells can all be cancelled into her other spells. Canceling a spell into another will cause the canceled spell to have a bonus effect. Has 3/5/7 max charges and gains a new charge every 28/20/12 seconds. Consumes a charge and grants the bonus effect even if the first skill didn't go off(or you canceled too fast). Q: Ice Whip 40/50/60/70/80 mana 700 range, 325 radius, 900 on the pull. 40/55/70/85/100(+0.2/AP and 1/2/3/4% of enemy's maximum health) magic damage 22/20/18/16/14 second cooldown Deals double damage to minions and monsters. After a 0.5 second delay, Ice Whipper Swings her frozen whip at the target area of 325 radius, causing all targets to become frozen solid(like a stun but unaffected by tenacity) for 0.5 seconds, after which it applies frost and the targets are slowed by 30% for 1.5 seconds. She gains a single target skill for 0.5 seconds that can only be used on champions that are frozen solid. This second activation also uses 40/50/60/70/80 mana. When applied, she deals the damage of the skill to the target champion for a second time, pulls the champion towards her current location, making the target spin while being pulled. Disables, the duration of the pull depends on the distance the opponent is from her, pulling at 400 units a second for a maximum of 600 units. Tenacity doesn't apply to the pull but it can be cleansed. Using the pull places a buff on the target that prevents it from being pulled again for 7.5 seconds. When canceled into from another spell, deals 100% bonus damage on the initial hit and refreshes Glacial Lash(E)'s cooldown W: Frozen Tornado 80/90/100/110/120 mana 350/425/500 radius centered around herself 80/100/120/140/160(+0.4/AP) minimum total damage, 160/200/240/280/320(+0.8/AP) maximum total magical damage 16/15/14/13/12 second cooldown When the skill is first activated, the Ice Whipper begins to charge the move and holds her frosty whip above her head and it begins to increasingly flash with icy effects. After 1 second and 2 second(automatically releases the skill after 3 seconds) threshholds the whip flashes very brightly and the skills's damage becomes multiplied by 1.5 and 2.0 respectively, affecting the base damage as well as the AP ratio. The radius of the attack also increases by 125 per second of charging. She can move while charging and can also use basic attacks while charging. She can cancel into other skills while charging, but the mana will not be refunded. This skill will not go on cooldown when another skill is used while charging. She can flash while charging, but she will only hold the charge after flashing if she's fully charged the skill(so she needs to be in between 2 and 3 seconds). When fully charged, the skill deals an additional 25% damage to targets that are movement impaired in some way. When the skill is activated for a second time or goes off automatically, she swings her whip all around her instantly for 20/25/30/35/40(+0.1/AP)- 40/50/60/70/80(+0.2/AP) damage and applies the same amount of damage every 0.3 seconds to a total of 4 times, with the final tick at 0.9 seconds knocking them a 450 unit distance away from her over the course of 0.5 seconds. In addition, if the skill is charged to the maximum, she will apply frost on the enemy for 2 seconds, slowing them for 30% for the duration. The attack and charging will both stop if she is CC'd during either. When cancelled to from another spell, reduces both the charge time and the cast time to half their normal amounts. In addition, hitting an opponent with the final tick of the attack refreshes Ice Whip(Q)'s cooldown. E: Frosty Lash 40/45/50/55/60 mana 750 range 40/60/80/100/120(+0.3/AP) magical damage. 6/5.5/5/4.5/4 second cooldown Ice Whipper uses her fosty whip to lash at a single target, dealing damage to it. Deals 50% bonus damage and has the damage spread to enemies around it in a 325 radius if it stikes a target with Frost applied to it. When canceled to from another skill, causes her next basic attack to deal a bonus of 30/50/70/90/110(+0.25) magic damage. In addition, she can now activate her Frosty Lash for a second time to snare her target for 0.5 seconds and pull herselt next to them. R: Glacial Blizzard 150/200/250 mana 800 range, 500 radius 200/300/400(+0.7/AP) magical damage over 1 second. 180/150/120 second cooldown Can target a single enemy target. Ice Whipper lashes the target so hard with her frozen whip that the target will have Frozen Solid applied to them for 1.5 seconds. In addition, for 1 second, icy needles begin to rain down from the sky, every 0.1 seconds, damaging enemies and applying both Chilled and Frost in the area over the 1 second duration. Chilled reduces the enemy magic resistance by 1/2/3 per stack, stacking up to 10 times for 3 seconds. In addition, each tick of Glacial Blizzard deals 50% bonus damage to targets with Frozen Solid applied to them. After the initial whiplash, Ice Whipper is able to cancel into any other skill without the icy rain being interrupted. When canceled to from another skill, refreshes the cooldown on Frozen Tornado. In addition, also slows targets around the initial target in a 500 unit radius by 95% for 1.5 seconds. Hopefully there's no silly mistakes. I tried to keep the numbers low because with all the combos and conditional bonus damage it really adds up. Those numbers shouldn't of course be absolute, they're there just to give a general idea. How does the concept seem? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409544 T_T + Show Spoiler + Considering how buried this was, I don't actually expect you to know about it. =P Edit: Oh, and first random feedback, I think we have enough Ice champs. Could a different theme be applied to this one? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:25 Simberto wrote: How do you know that no premade was involved? Because i don't think that should happen otherwise. Lolnexus' "scouter" shows that, in addition to other infos. Two other players on the opposing team were duoing (another Gold V and a Silver I, in a mostly Silver I-II game), and none on ours. I mean, I can get having a high Elo while losing promo series, but the guy was obviously really, really terrible, even for Silver I standards. Maybe he was in promo series or something, since they inflate your Elo. Or the matchmaking fucked up hard. (Also don't try the blue build on Sivir when against fed Jax and Nocturne. Or even at all. Please. My head hurts and it's too early for me to be tired.  ) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:43 AsmodeusXI wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409544 T_T + Show Spoiler + Considering how buried this was, I don't actually expect you to know about it. =P Edit: Oh, and first random feedback, I think we have enough Ice champs. Could a different theme be applied to this one? Way too much complicated random combo stuff in there, and the CC/displacement potential makes thresh look like tryndamere. | ||
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SimulatedAnneal
765 Posts
On June 06 2013 18:41 JonGalt wrote: Also, how is Worlds gonna work? Top seeds of NA, CN, TW, KR all seeded into quarterfinals. It's safe to assume all regions get at least 2 seeds (and KR gets 3). So that leaves 2 * EU + 2 * KR + NA + TW + CN = 7 teams for the group stages, which doesn't really work unless it is a big round robin where they do bo2 and take the top 4. I would like that and I think it would be the fairest. As long as they make the bottom 4 places different prize money, there won't be any meaningless games. The final group stage seed goes to the winner of a tournament to be held at Gamescom between the various smaller regions(Turkey, Brazil, Latin America). http://br.leagueoflegends.com/pt-br/news/campeonato-brasileiro-terceira-temporada | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:39 Shikyo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hmm I've been thinking about a champion concept for some time for the theme of Freljord. Ice Whipper(This isn't the name at all, name suggestions?). Sort of a baddie / evil person, probably Lissandra's ally. 600 range. Has a smaller, more normal whip in one hand that she uses for basic attacks and another, larger frosty whip in her other hand that she uses for her skills. She is a combo-based champion that is centered around spell combinations and good timing. Passive: Chilling Barrage Ice Whipper's spells all have a 1 second delay after they've been used before she can cast spells again. However, her spells can all be cancelled into her other spells. Canceling a spell into another will cause the canceled spell to have a bonus effect. Has 3/5/7 max charges and gains a new charge every 28/20/12 seconds. Consumes a charge and grants the bonus effect even if the first skill didn't go off(or you canceled too fast). Q: Ice Whip 40/50/60/70/80 mana 700 range, 325 radius, 900 on the pull. 40/55/70/85/100(+0.2/AP and 1/2/3/4% of enemy's maximum health) magic damage 22/20/18/16/14 second cooldown Deals double damage to minions and monsters. After a 0.5 second delay, Ice Whipper Swings her frozen whip at the target area of 325 radius, causing all targets to become frozen solid(like a stun but unaffected by tenacity) for 0.5 seconds, after which it applies frost and the targets are slowed by 30% for 1.5 seconds. She gains a single target skill for 0.5 seconds that can only be used on champions that are frozen solid. This second activation also uses 40/50/60/70/80 mana. When applied, she deals the damage of the skill to the target champion for a second time, pulls the champion towards her current location, making the target spin while being pulled. Disables, the duration of the pull depends on the distance the opponent is from her, pulling at 400 units a second for a maximum of 600 units. Tenacity doesn't apply to the pull but it can be cleansed. Using the pull places a buff on the target that prevents it from being pulled again for 7.5 seconds. When canceled into from another spell, deals 100% bonus damage on the initial hit and refreshes Glacial Lash(E)'s cooldown W: Frozen Tornado 80/90/100/110/120 mana 350/425/500 radius centered around herself 80/100/120/140/160(+0.4/AP) minimum total damage, 160/200/240/280/320(+0.8/AP) maximum total magical damage 16/15/14/13/12 second cooldown When the skill is first activated, the Ice Whipper begins to charge the move and holds her frosty whip above her head and it begins to increasingly flash with icy effects. After 1 second and 2 second(automatically releases the skill after 3 seconds) threshholds the whip flashes very brightly and the skills's damage becomes multiplied by 1.5 and 2.0 respectively, affecting the base damage as well as the AP ratio. The radius of the attack also increases by 125 per second of charging. She can move while charging and can also use basic attacks while charging. She can cancel into other skills while charging, but the mana will not be refunded. This skill will not go on cooldown when another skill is used while charging. She can flash while charging, but she will only hold the charge after flashing if she's fully charged the skill(so she needs to be in between 2 and 3 seconds). When fully charged, the skill deals an additional 25% damage to targets that are movement impaired in some way. When the skill is activated for a second time or goes off automatically, she swings her whip all around her instantly for 20/25/30/35/40(+0.1/AP)- 40/50/60/70/80(+0.2/AP) damage and applies the same amount of damage every 0.3 seconds to a total of 4 times, with the final tick at 0.9 seconds knocking them a 450 unit distance away from her over the course of 0.5 seconds. In addition, if the skill is charged to the maximum, she will apply frost on the enemy for 2 seconds, slowing them for 30% for the duration. The attack and charging will both stop if she is CC'd during either. When cancelled to from another spell, reduces both the charge time and the cast time to half their normal amounts. In addition, hitting an opponent with the final tick of the attack refreshes Ice Whip(Q)'s cooldown. E: Frosty Lash 40/45/50/55/60 mana 750 range 40/60/80/100/120(+0.3/AP) magical damage. 6/5.5/5/4.5/4 second cooldown Ice Whipper uses her fosty whip to lash at a single target, dealing damage to it. Deals 50% bonus damage and has the damage spread to enemies around it in a 325 radius if it stikes a target with Frost applied to it. When canceled to from another skill, causes her next basic attack to deal a bonus of 30/50/70/90/110(+0.25) magic damage. In addition, she can now activate her Frosty Lash for a second time to snare her target for 0.5 seconds and pull herselt next to them. R: Glacial Blizzard 150/200/250 mana 800 range, 500 radius 200/300/400(+0.7/AP) magical damage over 1 second. 180/150/120 second cooldown Can target a single enemy target. Ice Whipper lashes the target so hard with her frozen whip that the target will have Frozen Solid applied to them for 1.5 seconds. In addition, for 1 second, icy needles begin to rain down from the sky, every 0.1 seconds, damaging enemies and applying both Chilled and Frost in the area over the 1 second duration. Chilled reduces the enemy magic resistance by 1/2/3 per stack, stacking up to 10 times for 3 seconds. In addition, each tick of Glacial Blizzard deals 50% bonus damage to targets with Frozen Solid applied to them. After the initial whiplash, Ice Whipper is able to cancel into any other skill without the icy rain being interrupted. When canceled to from another skill, refreshes the cooldown on Frozen Tornado. In addition, also slows targets around the initial target in a 500 unit radius by 95% for 1.5 seconds. Hopefully there's no silly mistakes. I tried to keep the numbers low because with all the combos and conditional bonus damage it really adds up. Those numbers shouldn't of course be absolute, they're there just to give a general idea. How does the concept seem? Too complex and insanely OP If you boil it down to a more league-like size, it'd probably be like Passive: Chilling Barrage Ice Whipper gains a Chilling Barrage stack every 25/20/15 seconds, up to a maximum of 3 charges. Every time she casts a spell within 2 seconds of casting a previous spell, she consumes a stack of Chilling Barrage to give the spell a bonus effect. Q: Ice Whip After a 0.5 second delay, Ice Whipper whips a target area, dealing magic damage to targets inside the radius, knocking them airborne for 0.5 seconds, and slowing them for 1.5 seconds. Chilling Barrage: Ice Whip deals increased damage. W: Frozen Tornado First cast: Ice Whipper charges up for up to 3 seconds, increasing the damage and range of Frozen Tornado. Ice Whipper can still cast spells and autoattack during this time. Second cast: Ice Whipper whips up a tornado around her, dealing magic damage over 2 seconds and slowing targets caught inside. Chilling Barrage: Frozen Tornado charges up faster. E: Frosty Lash Deals magic damage to a single target. It deals bonus damage if the target's movement is impaired. Chilling Barrage: Frosty Lash additionally snares the target for 0.5 seconds. R: Glacial Blizzard Stuns a single target. Ice Whipper then summons a blizzard around the target, dealing magic damage over 3 seconds, slowing targets, and shredding their Magic Resist. Chilling Barrage: Targets around the primary target are slowed dramatically for 1.5 seconds. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:40 Capped wrote: Shit hecarim is so good I find him to be a stable choice. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
The neigh-sayers will say he's too reliant on Elder Lizard, which is getting nerfed next patch... | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:48 thenexusp wrote: The neigh-sayers will say he's too reliant on Elder Lizard, which is getting nerfed next patch... Regardless of damage, I'd never horse around with his sustain and engage potential. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On June 06 2013 20:48 Alaric wrote: - Morello Is it because Irelia has become a "poster-child" of Riot's bad designs? Or is Morello that thick-headed about her? Honestly, I don't think Irelia is that problematic anymore. She was a lot more problematic in season 2, since she could cut through almost anyone because people tended to stack resistances like mad. Anymore she feels overly reliant on getting fed to be relevant. She actually has to sit and auto someone to do lots of damage, which is much more time consuming than what a Kha'xiz or Diana or almost any other champion that is considered strong now has to do. Sure she's tends to get a lot tankier and more immune to cc, but she can't do her frakking job if she can't shrug off most stuff. She'll always butcher people 1v1 who underestimate her, but I don't really see a problem with that. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
http://browse.deviantart.com/?offset=10&view_mode=2&order=9&q=hecarim Specifically, one that I'd never use but would strike fear in the hearts of many (myself included): ![[image loading]](http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/150/0/d/my_little_hecarim_by_xarazel-d51ngbx.jpg) | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:49 AsmodeusXI wrote: Regardless of damage, I'd never horse around with his sustain and engage potential. You have to pony up a lot of gold for items before he gets tanky enough to be strong though. | ||
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Noro
Canada991 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:59 Sandster wrote: Not only was that a c-c-c-combo breaker, but you also dissed the pony. Hecarim has some of the most potential for cool and awesome skins. http://browse.deviantart.com/?offset=10&view_mode=2&order=9&q=hecarim Specifically, one that I'd never use but would strike fear in the hearts of many (myself included): I would buy Hec for this skin and this skin only. | ||
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