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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2013 05:44 GMT
#5461
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)


Still gives them attention.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 05:48:31
June 05 2013 05:44 GMT
#5462
On June 04 2013 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Compare:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Visage

With

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee's_Veil

Spririt Visage vs. Banshee's Veil

Cost: 2220 vs. 2520
HP: 200 vs. 400
MR: 50 vs. 45
20% CDR vs. 300 Mana
20% Increased Healing vs. Spellshield

The comparison is actually not as bad as I initially thought, depending on how much you value the spellshield (not that much on a tanky champ). 20% CDR is really quite good (and lategame mana fairly useless on most tanks). You could cap CDR with just 1 other item (usually). Also, the kindlegem is basically never wasted, whereas unless you are Ryze a midgame catalyst (around the time you realize you need a dedicated MR item besides Aegis) is fairly meh.

And even Ryze does pretty damn well with the Spirit Visage, and just builds the Cata into an ROA.

Banshee also competes with Runic (2950G, 300 HP, 55 MR, 30 Armor, almost negligible health regen, and an absolutely 100% critical Aura when there are threatening sources of magic damage on the other team)
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
June 05 2013 05:46 GMT
#5463
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 05:51:43
June 05 2013 05:50 GMT
#5464
On June 05 2013 14:44 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)

Still gives them attention.

Maybe thats what they meant when they said "losing isn't an option".
On June 05 2013 14:46 caelym wrote:
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.

it's cuz they're literally selling their dignity; so they're treated as such.
No one making fun of TPA's sub back in S2.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 05 2013 05:56 GMT
#5465
On June 05 2013 14:15 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 13:50 cLutZ wrote:
IP boosts are good from a reality standpoint. From the PR standpoint its not gonna help them much. The people still playing in the EUW after these server issues aren't going anywhere no matter what.


So you're saying they don't need to do anything at all since the people aren't going anywhere lol. So why not throw people a bone at least? I see no harm done and all it does is make some people happy.


I'm saying, if you do an RP giveaway it gets you serious publicity. If you do a skin giveaway, its huge publicity. Those things are not just frontpage of /leagueoflegends, its the frontpage of all of reddit. You are saying to people, "Yes we are F2P, but that doesn't excuse us from having serious problems." It says, "We take care of our loyal customers."

Heck, its time that they had a promotional giveaway other than Unchained Ali and Riot Trist. Pick any of your 1350 champs (precedent) and make a skin like QQ Nasus, or Disconnect Jax and give it away.

On June 05 2013 14:44 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Compare:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Visage

With

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee's_Veil

Spririt Visage vs. Banshee's Veil

Cost: 2220 vs. 2520
HP: 200 vs. 400
MR: 50 vs. 45
20% CDR vs. 300 Mana
20% Increased Healing vs. Spellshield

The comparison is actually not as bad as I initially thought, depending on how much you value the spellshield (not that much on a tanky champ). 20% CDR is really quite good (and lategame mana fairly useless on most tanks). You could cap CDR with just 1 other item (usually). Also, the kindlegem is basically never wasted, whereas unless you are Ryze a midgame catalyst (around the time you realize you need a dedicated MR item besides Aegis) is fairly meh.

And even Ryze does pretty damn well with the Spirit Visage, and just builds the Cata into an ROA.


Digging deep my friend. Digging deep.
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 05 2013 06:13 GMT
#5466
On June 05 2013 14:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:44 Fionn wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)

Still gives them attention.

Maybe thats what they meant when they said "losing isn't an option".
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:46 caelym wrote:
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.

it's cuz they're literally selling their dignity; so they're treated as such.
No one making fun of TPA's sub back in S2.


That's because Erika was fucking awesome, and will always be remembered as the person who coached TPA to victory at the S2 Championship. Nobody from Siren, or likely any other girl, will ever be able to compete with that :p
hi
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
June 05 2013 06:16 GMT
#5467
On June 05 2013 14:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:44 Fionn wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)

Still gives them attention.

Maybe thats what they meant when they said "losing isn't an option".
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:46 caelym wrote:
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.

it's cuz they're literally selling their dignity; so they're treated as such.
No one making fun of TPA's sub back in S2.

TPS Colalin, Blackbean's Elliade (IPL5 San Fran), Miss Valentine (absolute legends singapore). There exists girls in teams that are being taken seriously.
that being said: siren achieved what they wanted; publicity. Before this I recall A little Jenny getting around 700-800 viewers, today she had over 2k.
washed
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
June 05 2013 06:16 GMT
#5468
On June 05 2013 14:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:15 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 05 2013 13:50 cLutZ wrote:
IP boosts are good from a reality standpoint. From the PR standpoint its not gonna help them much. The people still playing in the EUW after these server issues aren't going anywhere no matter what.


So you're saying they don't need to do anything at all since the people aren't going anywhere lol. So why not throw people a bone at least? I see no harm done and all it does is make some people happy.


I'm saying, if you do an RP giveaway it gets you serious publicity. If you do a skin giveaway, its huge publicity. Those things are not just frontpage of /leagueoflegends, its the frontpage of all of reddit. You are saying to people, "Yes we are F2P, but that doesn't excuse us from having serious problems." It says, "We take care of our loyal customers."

Heck, its time that they had a promotional giveaway other than Unchained Ali and Riot Trist. Pick any of your 1350 champs (precedent) and make a skin like QQ Nasus, or Disconnect Jax and give it away.

Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:44 sylverfyre wrote:
On June 04 2013 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Compare:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Visage

With

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee's_Veil

Spririt Visage vs. Banshee's Veil

Cost: 2220 vs. 2520
HP: 200 vs. 400
MR: 50 vs. 45
20% CDR vs. 300 Mana
20% Increased Healing vs. Spellshield

The comparison is actually not as bad as I initially thought, depending on how much you value the spellshield (not that much on a tanky champ). 20% CDR is really quite good (and lategame mana fairly useless on most tanks). You could cap CDR with just 1 other item (usually). Also, the kindlegem is basically never wasted, whereas unless you are Ryze a midgame catalyst (around the time you realize you need a dedicated MR item besides Aegis) is fairly meh.

And even Ryze does pretty damn well with the Spirit Visage, and just builds the Cata into an ROA.


Digging deep my friend. Digging deep.


You're asking them to give you real money for a f2p game because you had some server issues? That's asking entirely too much and not everyone has all the same champs/skins so giving away a skin/champ isn't a feasible option to compensate people. IP is the best choice. We're lucky they even do anything at all and actually give us free stuff. They don't need to up their PR because of a server issue, they are a known good company and they handle their problems well.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 05 2013 06:20 GMT
#5469
On June 05 2013 15:16 Vlanitak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:44 Fionn wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)

Still gives them attention.

Maybe thats what they meant when they said "losing isn't an option".
On June 05 2013 14:46 caelym wrote:
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.

it's cuz they're literally selling their dignity; so they're treated as such.
No one making fun of TPA's sub back in S2.

TPS Colalin, Blackbean's Elliade (IPL5 San Fran), Miss Valentine (absolute legends singapore). There exists girls in teams that are being taken seriously.
that being said: siren achieved what they wanted; publicity. Before this I recall A little Jenny getting around 700-800 viewers, today she had over 2k.

Yeah, but qtpie had 40k while playing in bronze elo. so....
2k viewers still not that much.
liftlift > tsm
Imperfect1987
Profile Joined August 2010
United States558 Posts
June 05 2013 06:24 GMT
#5470
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.


You are correct this is working out great for them. They are getting more stream views, a ton of video views, and tons of exposure to make money off of. Ironically, this situation isn't all that different to the North American LoL pro scene when compared to Asia. They still can't win a single game off of the Asian professional teams that take the game more seriously. The NA LoL work ethic is laughable compared to the rest of the world and their goal isn't even to be the best. Their main aim is to entertain viewers. Likewise this female team aims for making a living off of entertaining viewers. The players are still talented even if they aren't pro level and perhaps in time they can inspire female players to try to go pro. I am not particularly a fan of their team but I can appreciate their efforts in giving women some space in a male dominated work environment.
The keyboard is mightier than the pen.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
June 05 2013 06:26 GMT
#5471
On June 05 2013 15:20 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 15:16 Vlanitak wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:44 Fionn wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.

But no one is giving them stream views; everyone too busy watching hotshotgg's stream shit talk sirens, and shitting all over them, or watching TOO's stream commentating it. Sirens are just a huge fucking meme at this point. (also my friend beat sirens in ranked 5 before they released that vid; hue)

Still gives them attention.

Maybe thats what they meant when they said "losing isn't an option".
On June 05 2013 14:46 caelym wrote:
a few siren jokes are funny, but a lot of them are just misogynistic which really annoy me.

it's cuz they're literally selling their dignity; so they're treated as such.
No one making fun of TPA's sub back in S2.

TPS Colalin, Blackbean's Elliade (IPL5 San Fran), Miss Valentine (absolute legends singapore). There exists girls in teams that are being taken seriously.
that being said: siren achieved what they wanted; publicity. Before this I recall A little Jenny getting around 700-800 viewers, today she had over 2k.

Yeah, but qtpie had 40k while playing in bronze elo. so....
2k viewers still not that much.

over 100% increase, its a gain.
washed
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
June 05 2013 06:27 GMT
#5472
I'd rather get an IP boost rather than nothing or hell, even a skin, cuz skins don't really add anything to gameplay. And riot could just as easily have not give anything in compensation.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 06:31:58
June 05 2013 06:29 GMT
#5473
On June 05 2013 15:24 Imperfect1987 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.


You are correct this is working out great for them. They are getting more stream views, a ton of video views, and tons of exposure to make money off of. Ironically, this situation isn't all that different to the North American LoL pro scene when compared to Asia. They still can't win a single game off of the Asian professional teams that take the game more seriously. The NA LoL work ethic is laughable compared to the rest of the world and their goal isn't even to be the best. Their main aim is to entertain viewers. Likewise this female team aims for making a living off of entertaining viewers. The players are still talented even if they aren't pro level and perhaps in time they can inspire female players to try to go pro. I am not particularly a fan of their team but I can appreciate their efforts in giving women some space in a male dominated work environment.

That's a bit of a stretch, comparing NA LoL pros to Siren.
Yes, top NA teams don't rank up well against top Asian teams; but that's not to say NA teams can't compete with them to a reasonable extent.

Also I think it's pretty insulting to say that NA pro teams aren't aiming to be the best. The infrastructure just isn't set up for them.

There are already great role models for female gamers (examples listed on top, with TPA manager/coach/sub, and some of the other teams).
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 05 2013 06:50 GMT
#5474
Is it known at all when the next patch is going to come out? I want to get a new jungler, but not sure what's going to happen next.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
June 05 2013 06:51 GMT
#5475
On June 05 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 15:24 Imperfect1987 wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:17 Fionn wrote:
All this Team Siren stuff shows how short sighted a lot of the community is. They don't realize that the Sirens are getting exactly what they wanted when they made that video. They have people making thousands of threads about them on Reddit, tuning into their games against guys like Hotshot and company, and now have a huge group of people who will tune in to see them lose any time they stream.

Do people realize that everything they said in their video was bullshit? Do people actually believe that they think they are going to challenge for the LCS? They're a fucking Gold league 5v5 team. They are a glorified e-sports personality team that have no intentions of winning the LCS in the next ten years. They're going to make all their money from their streams that will get thousands more viewers now because they want to see them lose.

If they had made a video based on reality, do you think anyone would give a shit? 'Oh, we're kinda decent players, and we're going to try our best to win amateur tournaments!' Fuck no, so they went on and said hyperbolic stuff like losing isn't an option and that millions of dollars are on the line. Their end game isn't winning LCS, but to get more and more people to tune into their streams and pay their revenue through that source.

The video was extremely cringe worthy, but it's working out beautifully for them. Five gold league players are now getting more attention than Korea did for destroying everyone at all-stars. Now anytime Team Siren wants to stream or play a showmatch, tons of nerds are going to make threads, watch the games, and then act like they "won" when Team Siren gets destroyed.


You are correct this is working out great for them. They are getting more stream views, a ton of video views, and tons of exposure to make money off of. Ironically, this situation isn't all that different to the North American LoL pro scene when compared to Asia. They still can't win a single game off of the Asian professional teams that take the game more seriously. The NA LoL work ethic is laughable compared to the rest of the world and their goal isn't even to be the best. Their main aim is to entertain viewers. Likewise this female team aims for making a living off of entertaining viewers. The players are still talented even if they aren't pro level and perhaps in time they can inspire female players to try to go pro. I am not particularly a fan of their team but I can appreciate their efforts in giving women some space in a male dominated work environment.

That's a bit of a stretch, comparing NA LoL pros to Siren.
Yes, top NA teams don't rank up well against top Asian teams; but that's not to say NA teams can't compete with them to a reasonable extent.

Also I think it's pretty insulting to say that NA pro teams aren't aiming to be the best. The infrastructure just isn't set up for them.

There are already great role models for female gamers (examples listed on top, with TPA manager/coach/sub, and some of the other teams).

You know what Siren needs? Skarlett(sp, don't pay too much attention to SC2) to whip them into shape.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 05 2013 06:55 GMT
#5476
On June 05 2013 15:16 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:56 cLutZ wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:15 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 05 2013 13:50 cLutZ wrote:
IP boosts are good from a reality standpoint. From the PR standpoint its not gonna help them much. The people still playing in the EUW after these server issues aren't going anywhere no matter what.


So you're saying they don't need to do anything at all since the people aren't going anywhere lol. So why not throw people a bone at least? I see no harm done and all it does is make some people happy.


I'm saying, if you do an RP giveaway it gets you serious publicity. If you do a skin giveaway, its huge publicity. Those things are not just frontpage of /leagueoflegends, its the frontpage of all of reddit. You are saying to people, "Yes we are F2P, but that doesn't excuse us from having serious problems." It says, "We take care of our loyal customers."

Heck, its time that they had a promotional giveaway other than Unchained Ali and Riot Trist. Pick any of your 1350 champs (precedent) and make a skin like QQ Nasus, or Disconnect Jax and give it away.

On June 05 2013 14:44 sylverfyre wrote:
On June 04 2013 15:45 cLutZ wrote:
On June 04 2013 13:05 Ketara wrote:
Why don't more tanky champs build Banshee's Veil?

It seems like a really good item to me.


Compare:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Visage

With

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee's_Veil

Spririt Visage vs. Banshee's Veil

Cost: 2220 vs. 2520
HP: 200 vs. 400
MR: 50 vs. 45
20% CDR vs. 300 Mana
20% Increased Healing vs. Spellshield

The comparison is actually not as bad as I initially thought, depending on how much you value the spellshield (not that much on a tanky champ). 20% CDR is really quite good (and lategame mana fairly useless on most tanks). You could cap CDR with just 1 other item (usually). Also, the kindlegem is basically never wasted, whereas unless you are Ryze a midgame catalyst (around the time you realize you need a dedicated MR item besides Aegis) is fairly meh.

And even Ryze does pretty damn well with the Spirit Visage, and just builds the Cata into an ROA.


Digging deep my friend. Digging deep.


You're asking them to give you real money for a f2p game because you had some server issues? That's asking entirely too much and not everyone has all the same champs/skins so giving away a skin/champ isn't a feasible option to compensate people. IP is the best choice. We're lucky they even do anything at all and actually give us free stuff. They don't need to up their PR because of a server issue, they are a known good company and they handle their problems well.


On June 05 2013 15:27 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
I'd rather get an IP boost rather than nothing or hell, even a skin, cuz skins don't really add anything to gameplay. And riot could just as easily have not give anything in compensation.


#1. Obviously they make money off champion sales otherwise they would never do Champion Sales (price reductions).
#2. Their "token" giveaway is not being seen in a vacuum. KR just got a really nice skin. Does anyone else remember the results of Ultimatum Game experiments?
#3. As I pointed out, Riot is due for a promotional giveaway regardless of these server issues. They should announce a brand new and free skin on a common champ and pretend its for the recent issues.

You all are acting like rational people, if people acted like how you pretend they do, François Hollande would not be the President of France right now.
Freeeeeeedom
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
June 05 2013 07:05 GMT
#5477
Support confirmed for most fun role. It's like playing a whole new game or like playing Singed. You can do whatever you want!
Retvrn to Forvms
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 05 2013 07:07 GMT
#5478
On June 05 2013 16:05 Chrispy wrote:
Support confirmed for most fun role. It's like playing a whole new game or like playing Singed. You can do whatever you want!

So true; also I've come to the realization that no one really know how to play against a bruiser support. The level 3-4 all in with ADC+bruiser is stronger than people think; especially if you position it out correctly.
liftlift > tsm
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 05 2013 07:12 GMT
#5479
Well, 20 wins ip boost gets me my lulu quicker i guess :3

Wait..or thresh?

Lulu or thresh?!?!?!?!
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 05 2013 07:13 GMT
#5480
On June 05 2013 16:12 Capped wrote:
Well, 20 wins ip boost gets me my lulu quicker i guess :3

Wait..or thresh?

Lulu or thresh?!?!?!?!

Can't fucking go wrong with either imo. Both are broken as fuck.
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