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Well even though the ranked system is messed up it still does serve an important role in matching you against people of (supposedly) similar skill level, and for you to learn how to lane properly against them.
I jungled probably 80% of my ranked games when I played last year, and coming back last month realized that my mechanics are just terrible in lane. Ranked lets you practice the mechanics and learn to exploit mistakes your opponents make while minimizing your own. It really lets you learn the limits of your champion and is vital to becoming a better player.
However it doesn't really teach you how to prioritize objectives, properly control the map, or basically play well as a team. Most games at Silver/Gold are decided because someone dominates in lane, or one jungler snowballs lanes harder than the other. It's why there are so many players who are decent mechanically but have pre-CLG Doublelift map awareness and game sense.
Anyway my question still stands - what's Zed's status right now competitively? I know he's not as strong as before, but he really needed nerfs. I've never played him and am thinking of buying him.
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On June 04 2013 23:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:19 Capped wrote:
Guys you dont realise how the promotion system works. Its not 2/3 its never been 2/3.
Its been at the very least 3/4 wins. Usually 4/5 Because u have to work your way into promotion series first and then go 2/3, winning your way into promotion series never comes from a loss. You HAVE to win prior to the 2/3 streak. You also almost never get put into a promotion series 1 win after a loss (iunless your MMR is super high in which case fuck you im jelly), which makes it 4/5 because you need 2 in a row THEN 2/3 games.
The most common way of getting into a promotion series is getting to 60/70 points then winning 2 in a row to be thrown into promotions for a 2/3 test. So it makes it 4 out of 5 wins needed to be promoted. In which two of those wins have to be in a row or your "reset" to needing 4/5 with 2 in a row. (Going from 60-70 to 80-90 then back down again)
TL;DR - It aint 2/3 wins needed, and its shoshilly.
(Ofc going something like 9/10 from 0 points to promotion is entirely possible, i just wasnt going to math out anything lower lol.)
This is why the league system is stupid, it requires you to go on massive streaks to get anywhere when your supposed to be at a 50% win/loss by design. Your MMR never stops getting higher / lower so you cant be expected to smash the living shit out of your opponents in a league because you might not even be facing people in it.
This system would work perfectly if it wasnt paired with MMR / hidden Elo. Your better then your league, your still matched vs people in said league, you smash them on a streak and get promoted.
Atm its, Your better then your league, your matched with people higher then your league (and thus relative to your skill), your expected to smash them and go on a massive streak anyway.
I mean who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make it so you need an 80% w/l ratio when the system by design TRYHARDS to make you go 50%? (80% win/loss on the assumption you need 4/5 wins which is the norm.)
Instead, it does this to you repeatedly for an extended period of time before constantly throwing you in a 3/4 series (1 win to get into a promotion series) which is STILL 75% win needed on a 50/50 system.
TL;DR League system is borked to fuck and means nothing. Then why do you constantly get so mad about it? 
It's very hard to not get mad when it's in your face so goddamn much. We're competitive people, we like seeing our points go up.
It's difficult to tell yourself "this doesn't mean anything" when it's the only thing you can actually look at, even when you know it doesn't mean anything.
League system is really the worst part of playing LoL for me atm.
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On June 04 2013 23:53 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 04 2013 23:19 Capped wrote:
Guys you dont realise how the promotion system works. Its not 2/3 its never been 2/3.
Its been at the very least 3/4 wins. Usually 4/5 Because u have to work your way into promotion series first and then go 2/3, winning your way into promotion series never comes from a loss. You HAVE to win prior to the 2/3 streak. You also almost never get put into a promotion series 1 win after a loss (iunless your MMR is super high in which case fuck you im jelly), which makes it 4/5 because you need 2 in a row THEN 2/3 games.
The most common way of getting into a promotion series is getting to 60/70 points then winning 2 in a row to be thrown into promotions for a 2/3 test. So it makes it 4 out of 5 wins needed to be promoted. In which two of those wins have to be in a row or your "reset" to needing 4/5 with 2 in a row. (Going from 60-70 to 80-90 then back down again)
TL;DR - It aint 2/3 wins needed, and its shoshilly.
(Ofc going something like 9/10 from 0 points to promotion is entirely possible, i just wasnt going to math out anything lower lol.)
This is why the league system is stupid, it requires you to go on massive streaks to get anywhere when your supposed to be at a 50% win/loss by design. Your MMR never stops getting higher / lower so you cant be expected to smash the living shit out of your opponents in a league because you might not even be facing people in it.
This system would work perfectly if it wasnt paired with MMR / hidden Elo. Your better then your league, your still matched vs people in said league, you smash them on a streak and get promoted.
Atm its, Your better then your league, your matched with people higher then your league (and thus relative to your skill), your expected to smash them and go on a massive streak anyway.
I mean who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make it so you need an 80% w/l ratio when the system by design TRYHARDS to make you go 50%? (80% win/loss on the assumption you need 4/5 wins which is the norm.)
Instead, it does this to you repeatedly for an extended period of time before constantly throwing you in a 3/4 series (1 win to get into a promotion series) which is STILL 75% win needed on a 50/50 system.
TL;DR League system is borked to fuck and means nothing. Then why do you constantly get so mad about it? It's very hard to not get mad when it's in your face so goddamn much. We're competitive people, we like seeing our points go up. It's difficult to tell yourself "this doesn't mean anything" when it's the only thing you can actually look at, even when you know it doesn't mean anything. League system is really the worst part of playing LoL for me atm.
Because i'd rather be a childish fuck about some stupid electronic score system then the 1001 other problems in my life.
Also, fuck LoL. :D
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TL LoL: For ePeen Addicts and People Who Hate The Things They Love.
Now I know why we're the most popular eSports site outside of Korea.
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I've got 99 problems but Elo ain't one.
-Jayce Z
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I just dislike it cause I need to streak 3/5 for a league jump, but it's been 3 promotion series and I just can't seem to do that. At least the system seems to think I shouldn't be here and I always get back to promotions within 1 win hue
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The games are pretty funny. I've only played handful of games so far but both times I make it to promos I get some complete troll (AD master yi farmer and Triforce rush Xin Zhao) and/or an afk. I rage and rage and then the game right after, almost to make amends, I'm matched against someone who eats my Thresh hooks for breakfast or decides fighting Renek with empowered W when I hit 2 first is a good idea.
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On June 04 2013 23:38 Alaric wrote:
I'm not a Smite fan. Tried it, the "fps" style was very frustrating, I felt like I had more to strafe and run and stuff than to really have the decision-making I have in LoL.
Add to that that their minimap was really horrendous until you knew the jungle layout by heart because the icons were way too big for the pathways' width, making it impossible to know in which of the 2-3 paths you were at a given time. Made the first games really tedious, although it was more than a year ago so if they're decent they'll have improved it.
You should try it again! I had a lot of the same issues with it when I first tried it, but it has improved since (at least IMO).
Once I found a god I really like (Hades) I spammed games, and then discovered one I'm real good at (HeBo).
On June 04 2013 23:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 22:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
My Internet is getting installed on Friday (hopefully I don't die of boredom before that...)
Incoming Off Topic
I know I've briefly talked to Syl and Asmo about this:
Does anyone here play Smite? When I was home after graduation, I was playing it a lot since my home internet wasn't quite reliable enough for Ranked LoL.
For those that don't know, it's a F2P MOBA set in 3rd person view. All moves are skill shots. You play as a god from some Mythology (Chinese, Greek, Mayan, etc.) It's currently in open beta, and it's gotten a lot better since when I first played it last year. There's actually a limited time offer going on in the store for it now. For $30, you can get all current and future gods, which leaves all of your free currency (Favor) to be spent on lots of the skins they offer, which is pretty cool.
Feel free to add me (Soniv), I'm sure I'll be playing it again once I has internets.
On Topic (kinda)
Panda Annie only Annie Ew. EW. I tried Smite but it felt like WoW's retarded cousin. (I also tried Realm of Immortals. Oh boy.)
Never tried RoI, but I enjoyed WoW PvP, so I've always been a fan of 3rd person fighting style like this. Team fights are awesomely chaotic.
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..did anyone else totally buy a second copy of the collectors edition for the goth annie skin now that the flexible bundles are out?
i bought the retail edition 4 years ago so i was stuck with the kayle skin instead of annie ;c
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Anyway my question still stands - what's Zed's status right now competitively? I know he's not as strong as before, but he really needed nerfs. I've never played him and am thinking of buying him.
I´m sorry I can´t really help you on this, but from watching streams etc, he is def seen less. In Eu the imo best mids Alex and Bjerg both seem to favor Ori, Kha and Jayce these days. Both played a lot of Zed before I think esp Bjerg. Oh and Quinn ofc. I have seen them discuss builds/items on Quinn, so we might see him soon in the mid lane.
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On June 04 2013 23:19 Capped wrote:
Guys you dont realise how the promotion system works. Its not 2/3 its never been 2/3.
Its been at the very least 3/4 wins. Usually 4/5 Because u have to work your way into promotion series first and then go 2/3, winning your way into promotion series never comes from a loss. You HAVE to win prior to the 2/3 streak. You also almost never get put into a promotion series 1 win after a loss (iunless your MMR is super high in which case fuck you im jelly), which makes it 4/5 because you need 2 in a row THEN 2/3 games.
The most common way of getting into a promotion series is getting to 60/70 points then winning 2 in a row to be thrown into promotions for a 2/3 test. So it makes it 4 out of 5 wins needed to be promoted. In which two of those wins have to be in a row or your "reset" to needing 4/5 with 2 in a row. (Going from 60-70 to 80-90 then back down again)
TL;DR - It aint 2/3 wins needed, and its shoshilly.
(Ofc going something like 9/10 from 0 points to promotion is entirely possible, i just wasnt going to math out anything lower lol.)
This is why the league system is stupid, it requires you to go on massive streaks to get anywhere when your supposed to be at a 50% win/loss by design. Your MMR never stops getting higher / lower so you cant be expected to smash the living shit out of your opponents in a league because you might not even be facing people in it.
This system would work perfectly if it wasnt paired with MMR / hidden Elo. Your better then your league, your still matched vs people in said league, you smash them on a streak and get promoted.
Atm its, Your better then your league, your matched with people higher then your league (and thus relative to your skill), your expected to smash them and go on a massive streak anyway.
I mean who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make it so you need an 80% w/l ratio when the system by design TRYHARDS to make you go 50%? (80% win/loss on the assumption you need 4/5 wins which is the norm.)
Instead, it does this to you repeatedly for an extended period of time before constantly throwing you in a 3/4 series (1 win to get into a promotion series) which is STILL 75% win needed on a 50/50 system.
TL;DR League system is borked to fuck and means nothing.
It is 2 out of 3 wins to win a promotion, regardless of how large a win-streak you're on prior to this. It doesn't matter if you're on a 5 win streak and then get into promotion, you always need to win 2 out of 3 games to get promoted. You can't just blantly change it, because you had to win x amount of games to get into your promotion. So stop saying that.
Also the League system is more than fine, if you think the system is broken, then i suggest you write an email to RIOT with your concerns, and see if they want to take actions or not (i can already tell you they won't).
You don't need a 80% win/loss ratio to climb the ladder. You just need to get your points, win your promotion, get more points, win your promotions etc. I have a 59,8% win rate and I'm Diamond IV at the moment. You care way too much about how much you have to win in a row, that you fail to see the point. It's not impossible to go on a 5-win streak, and then go 2-0 in your promotion, especially not if you care about waiting, to minimize the terribad games where you go 0-5 in lane or shit like that.
The biggest fail i see from my mates, is that they spam solo Q 24/7 trying to climb the ladder. This means that while they will have some games where they massively stomp, they will also have the games i sometimes experience in normal games or ARAM aka. playing like a total noob. If you don't honestly believe that you can't queue to solo queue and carry those 4 immense retards on your team, play another game-type or wait a few hours, then when you're ready, you are 100% mentally prepared to just give it your best shot and not give any fucks regarding the system, the points or the divisions.
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
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On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what?
almost anyone who complains just want to old system back as far as I understand.
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On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what?
I second this - What? I've yet to meet someone who likes the new system better. I guess you're the first.
On June 05 2013 00:31 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +Anyway my question still stands - what's Zed's status right now competitively? I know he's not as strong as before, but he really needed nerfs. I've never played him and am thinking of buying him. I´m sorry I can´t really help you on this, but from watching streams etc, he is def seen less. In Eu the imo best mids Alex and Bjerg both seem to favor Ori, Kha and Jayce these days. Both played a lot of Zed before I think esp Bjerg. Oh and Quinn ofc. I have seen them discuss builds/items on Quinn, so we might see him soon in the mid lane.
Interesting, thanks for the update. I expect Kha and Jayce nerfs soon, so it'll be interesting to see Quinn mid.
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On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what? almost anyone who complains just want to old system back as far as I understand.
See this is something i don't understand either. Before, you could go 2200, get your diamond and then drop all the way back to bronze. Now, if you're diamond, you will always be diamond as long as you want unless you go in-active. I feel this is a giant improvement in the system, because if you are promoted from Silver I to Gold V and get stuck, at least you won't get shove back against the players you clearly beat to get your gold title in the first place.
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On June 05 2013 00:46 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what? I second this - What? I've yet to meet someone who likes the new system better. I guess you're the first. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:31 Kenpark wrote:Anyway my question still stands - what's Zed's status right now competitively? I know he's not as strong as before, but he really needed nerfs. I've never played him and am thinking of buying him. I´m sorry I can´t really help you on this, but from watching streams etc, he is def seen less. In Eu the imo best mids Alex and Bjerg both seem to favor Ori, Kha and Jayce these days. Both played a lot of Zed before I think esp Bjerg. Oh and Quinn ofc. I have seen them discuss builds/items on Quinn, so we might see him soon in the mid lane. Interesting, thanks for the update. I expect Kha and Jayce nerfs soon, so it'll be interesting to see Quinn mid.
Kha nerfs area already on the PBE, so next patch. Nothing on Jayce yet. Honestly the current state of Muramana is playing a big part in his incredibly strong state.
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On June 04 2013 23:19 Capped wrote:
Guys you dont realise how the promotion system works. Its not 2/3 its never been 2/3.
Its been at the very least 3/4 wins. Usually 4/5 Because u have to work your way into promotion series first and then go 2/3, winning your way into promotion series never comes from a loss. You HAVE to win prior to the 2/3 streak. You also almost never get put into a promotion series 1 win after a loss (iunless your MMR is super high in which case fuck you im jelly), which makes it 4/5 because you need 2 in a row THEN 2/3 games.
The most common way of getting into a promotion series is getting to 60/70 points then winning 2 in a row to be thrown into promotions for a 2/3 test. So it makes it 4 out of 5 wins needed to be promoted. In which two of those wins have to be in a row or your "reset" to needing 4/5 with 2 in a row. (Going from 60-70 to 80-90 then back down again)
TL;DR - It aint 2/3 wins needed, and its shoshilly.
(Ofc going something like 9/10 from 0 points to promotion is entirely possible, i just wasnt going to math out anything lower lol.)
This is why the league system is stupid, it requires you to go on massive streaks to get anywhere when your supposed to be at a 50% win/loss by design. Your MMR never stops getting higher / lower so you cant be expected to smash the living shit out of your opponents in a league because you might not even be facing people in it.
This system would work perfectly if it wasnt paired with MMR / hidden Elo. Your better then your league, your still matched vs people in said league, you smash them on a streak and get promoted.
Atm its, Your better then your league, your matched with people higher then your league (and thus relative to your skill), your expected to smash them and go on a massive streak anyway.
I mean who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make it so you need an 80% w/l ratio when the system by design TRYHARDS to make you go 50%? (80% win/loss on the assumption you need 4/5 wins which is the norm.)
Instead, it does this to you repeatedly for an extended period of time before constantly throwing you in a 3/4 series (1 win to get into a promotion series) which is STILL 75% win needed on a 50/50 system.
TL;DR League system is borked to fuck and means nothing.
3/4 or 4/5 wins is not at all hard to accomplish if you can maintain anything close to a 50% win rate. Let's do the 4/5 win case. For any set of 5 games, there is a 6/32 chance of winning at least 4 out of the 5. This means on average you need to play 32/6=5.333 sets of 5 games before there is a set where you win 4/5. Therefore, after 26 games you will expect to have a set where 4 out of 5 games are wins. And this is assuming a 50% win rate - if your win rate is higher than this, you can expect to win 4/5 much more frequently.*
*edit: and this is too harsh because it only considers games #1-5, 6-10, 11-15, etc. without considering overlaps like 2-6, 3-7, etc. If you consider overlaps as well, then you need even fewer games to get a set of 5 consecutive games with 4 wins.
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On June 05 2013 00:54 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what? almost anyone who complains just want to old system back as far as I understand. See this is something i don't understand either. Before, you could go 2200, get your diamond and then drop all the way back to bronze. Now, if you're diamond, you will always be diamond as long as you want unless you go in-active. I feel this is a giant improvement in the system, because if you are promoted from Silver I to Gold V and get stuck, at least you won't get shove back against the players you clearly beat to get your gold title in the first place.
You will get shoved back against the players you beat. The only thing the system does is not visually display that for you. You still play against those people if you lose. Then if you keep losing you will play against"bronze" people even though you are Gold V. It does nothing but disconnect what is happening to what you are shown.
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On June 05 2013 00:57 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:54 Sponkz wrote:On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what? almost anyone who complains just want to old system back as far as I understand. See this is something i don't understand either. Before, you could go 2200, get your diamond and then drop all the way back to bronze. Now, if you're diamond, you will always be diamond as long as you want unless you go in-active. I feel this is a giant improvement in the system, because if you are promoted from Silver I to Gold V and get stuck, at least you won't get shove back against the players you clearly beat to get your gold title in the first place. You will get shoved back against the players you beat. The only thing the system does is not visually display that for you. You still play against those people if you lose. Then if you keep losing you will play against"bronze" people even though you are Gold V. It does nothing but disconnect what is happening to what you are shown.
I meant being in the same tier as them, sorry for the confusion
Yeah your MMR will of course fall if you keep losing at 0 points in any V division, but you still earned your spot in my book.
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On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:19 Capped wrote:
Guys you dont realise how the promotion system works. Its not 2/3 its never been 2/3.
Its been at the very least 3/4 wins. Usually 4/5 Because u have to work your way into promotion series first and then go 2/3, winning your way into promotion series never comes from a loss. You HAVE to win prior to the 2/3 streak. You also almost never get put into a promotion series 1 win after a loss (iunless your MMR is super high in which case fuck you im jelly), which makes it 4/5 because you need 2 in a row THEN 2/3 games.
The most common way of getting into a promotion series is getting to 60/70 points then winning 2 in a row to be thrown into promotions for a 2/3 test. So it makes it 4 out of 5 wins needed to be promoted. In which two of those wins have to be in a row or your "reset" to needing 4/5 with 2 in a row. (Going from 60-70 to 80-90 then back down again)
TL;DR - It aint 2/3 wins needed, and its shoshilly.
(Ofc going something like 9/10 from 0 points to promotion is entirely possible, i just wasnt going to math out anything lower lol.)
This is why the league system is stupid, it requires you to go on massive streaks to get anywhere when your supposed to be at a 50% win/loss by design. Your MMR never stops getting higher / lower so you cant be expected to smash the living shit out of your opponents in a league because you might not even be facing people in it.
This system would work perfectly if it wasnt paired with MMR / hidden Elo. Your better then your league, your still matched vs people in said league, you smash them on a streak and get promoted.
Atm its, Your better then your league, your matched with people higher then your league (and thus relative to your skill), your expected to smash them and go on a massive streak anyway.
I mean who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make it so you need an 80% w/l ratio when the system by design TRYHARDS to make you go 50%? (80% win/loss on the assumption you need 4/5 wins which is the norm.)
Instead, it does this to you repeatedly for an extended period of time before constantly throwing you in a 3/4 series (1 win to get into a promotion series) which is STILL 75% win needed on a 50/50 system.
TL;DR League system is borked to fuck and means nothing. It is 2 out of 3 wins to win a promotion, regardless of how large a win-streak you're on prior to this. It doesn't matter if you're on a 5 win streak and then get into promotion, you always need to win 2 out of 3 games to get promoted. You can't just blantly change it, because you had to win x amount of games to get into your promotion. So stop saying that. Also the League system is more than fine, if you think the system is broken, then i suggest you write an email to RIOT with your concerns, and see if they want to take actions or not (i can already tell you they won't). You don't need a 80% win/loss ratio to climb the ladder. You just need to get your points, win your promotion, get more points, win your promotions etc. I have a 59,8% win rate and I'm Diamond IV at the moment. You care way too much about how much you have to win in a row, that you fail to see the point. It's not impossible to go on a 5-win streak, and then go 2-0 in your promotion, especially not if you care about waiting, to minimize the terribad games where you go 0-5 in lane or shit like that. The biggest fail i see from my mates, is that they spam solo Q 24/7 trying to climb the ladder. This means that while they will have some games where they massively stomp, they will also have the games i sometimes experience in normal games or ARAM aka. playing like a total noob. If you don't honestly believe that you can't queue to solo queue and carry those 4 immense retards on your team, play another game-type or wait a few hours, then when you're ready, you are 100% mentally prepared to just give it your best shot and not give any fucks regarding the system, the points or the divisions. EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
So, it doesnt matter that you HAVE to win prior to a promotion series (no matter how many it actually is, just say its one win for the sake of this) that one extra win MAKES it a 3/4. There is no question, it just states 2/3 wins because it puts you into a promotion series after the win that puts you there, you still need 3 wins in 4 games. Period.
If thats wrong, let me know when you go into a promotion series after a loss, im yet to see it. Nobody who complains likes the new system. Pretty much everybody hates it in fact.
You dont need 80% win/loss all the time, i never stated that, but the usual method for a promotion is a 4/5 (or 4/4) game record. (2 wins, then 2 wins 1 loss however you want to put it.) even removing that to 3/4, its a 75% win/loss. The system REQUIRES you to go on a winstreak, i never said you needed that win % all the time, or that a win streak wasnt possible, its just stupid that its required of you to do so, when it tries to put you at a 50/50 w/l all the time (Hidden elo)
You seem to just want to shout at me about things i didnt actually talk about anyway, so carry on. I know im actually 100% right on everything i said so i wont argue. I wasnt even "complaining" so to speak, i was outlining how it works and the flaws in the system. I actually could care less because either way, i was going to get put where i am now but the only useful statistic in determining that is now hidden behind a wall of shite.(even though WoS pointed out i get mad :<, this isnt one of those times.)
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On June 05 2013 00:54 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 00:45 Keniji wrote:On June 05 2013 00:42 Sponkz wrote:
EDIT: Sorry for the somewhat harsh tone, but it's getting frustrating that more and more people whine in GD about the new system, when almost everyone agrees that it's 100 times better than the old one.
what? almost anyone who complains just want to old system back as far as I understand. See this is something i don't understand either. Before, you could go 2200, get your diamond and then drop all the way back to bronze. Now, if you're diamond, you will always be diamond as long as you want unless you go in-active. I feel this is a giant improvement in the system, because if you are promoted from Silver I to Gold V and get stuck, at least you won't get shove back against the players you clearly beat to get your gold title in the first place.
That's not even close to being true. If you get in Gold 5 and start losing games, you're still playing against the Silver players you beat to get your gold title. The entire system still works off internal MMR which is pretty much the same as old ELO, you just have to win promotions to "earn" your title rather than making past a certain ELO threshold. Additionally, it makes it impossible to fall down if you play once in a while, so people who get to higher rankings than they should can't fall back even by losing repeatedly.
In the old system, you had to maintain being over 1500 to get Gold. Now, you could be 1600 hidden ELO but Silver by losing series but winning everything else. Conversely, you could be 900 ELO in Plat because you got carried there/had a lucky win streak and then tanked, but you still are "Plat" by virtue of playing and losing.
It's not a good system. In fact, it's a dumb system.
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