• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:47
CET 23:47
KST 07:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)12Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker8PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)12Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2
StarCraft 2
General
Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Recent recommended BW games [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2104 users

[Patch 3.07: Nerf Everything Not Nami] General Discussion…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 351 Next
Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 31 2013 20:44 GMT
#4501
On June 01 2013 04:45 Craton wrote:
Top: Cho/Renekton
Jungler: Rammus+not writing guides
Mid: Ahri
AD: Caitlyn/Graves
Support: Sona (though frankly I can play all the ranged supports evenly)

I deemed your list incomplete and took the liberty to edit in an appropriate manner.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
May 31 2013 20:46 GMT
#4502
Top: Nasus/J4
Mid: Lux/Lee (THE PLAYSSS)
Bot: Cait/Corki (I like being safe during laning)
Support: Blitz (PLAAYAYASYFXLCVKAFDGZZZ)
Jungle: Lee/Mundo (PPPBBBTTTTTlays.)
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 31 2013 20:46 GMT
#4503
top:I suck at everything
jungle:j4
mid:lux/ori
ad:varus/draven/ez
supp:lulu/alistar/nunu
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 31 2013 20:49 GMT
#4504
On June 01 2013 05:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 05:32 cLutZ wrote:
On June 01 2013 05:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But back on (the current) topic, my "main" fallback champs for each role tend to be:

Top: Irelia
Mid: Brand
Jungle: Nunu I guess?
adc: umm, Ashe/Trist
Support: Jananna


I like your wording of "fallback" champs, because that is also how I feel about:
Olaf (GAH Im so dumb for still playing him): Top/Jungle
Mid: Morgana
ADC: Cait (Herp)
Support: Taric (Derp)

The main reason I don't want to call them a "main", is that while these are champs I'm generally extremely comfortable with and, if I absolutely had to, would First Pick (except Ashe; this meta is so unforgiving to her q_q ) blindly, I pride myself on being that guy in ranked Q who fills even when first pick (which means I get chucked into support really often, though as an ADC "main" I'm fairly non-plussed by it), and on having a large champion pool for matchups and counters. So despite being really comfortable with Ashe, I almost never play her nowadays.


Ja, I haven't played Ashe is so long.

Kog either, I should play more Kog.
Freeeeeeedom
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 31 2013 20:53 GMT
#4505
http://na.lolesports.com/season3/allstar/articles/liaison-lautemortis-being-pro

Oh hai Neo. Also, this interview gave fanboy-me the warm fuzzies and hope that CoL may eventually return.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 20:59:16
May 31 2013 20:56 GMT
#4506
Top: Jayce
Mid: Wukong/Swain (Wukong mid is my highest winrate by far and Swain is my personal favourite champion in terms of design and style)
Jungle: Udyr (I've been consistently playing Udyr for almost two years now)
AD: Draven (been playing him for quite a while now since aphromoo started playing him)
Support: Thresh
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 20:56:56
May 31 2013 20:56 GMT
#4507
oops
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 31 2013 21:02 GMT
#4508
Top: Vladimir
Jungle: Mundo
mid: Karthus/Heimer
Ad: Urgot (please carry me)
Support: Sona
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 31 2013 21:04 GMT
#4509
On June 01 2013 05:39 Duvon wrote:

On June 01 2013 05:30 Bevan wrote:

On June 01 2013 04:52 Volband wrote:

On June 01 2013 04:52 InfSunday wrote:

On June 01 2013 05:10 Schwopzi wrote:

On June 01 2013 05:22 Twinmold wrote:

Hoooooooooly- so many names I haven't ever seen posting here. Hi dear lurkers. <3

On June 01 2013 05:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
I made a smurf account where I only play Nunu. Summoner name is Yeti Does it All.

... with style?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 21:12:56
May 31 2013 21:11 GMT
#4510
Top: I try to avoid top. In my opinion its the hardest postion to play. You have to know so much about each champion, when to trade etc. In mid you can just clear and roam. Also falling behind top is so frustrating.

Jungle: Basicly Nasus only. Also my highest win% champ at sth like 76%.

Mid: Kayle/Ori/Diana/Akali

Adc: Kog/Varus/MF

Supp: I try to avoid it. Just not fun for me. If I have to I go sth like Panth or Lux.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 31 2013 21:12 GMT
#4511
How do Shy and Flame get away with Dorans first on Jayce and Kennen
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 31 2013 21:15 GMT
#4512
On June 01 2013 06:12 AsnSensation wrote:
How do Shy and Flame get away with Dorans first on Jayce and Kennen

Both have large MS buffs, along with being ranged. They can also farm from range.
Arctyrus
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark77 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 21:17:36
May 31 2013 21:17 GMT
#4513
Felt inspired by the top post, so here goes my first post in the LoL subforum after lurking for some time.

I'm a fairly new player (lvl 14 or so), and I generally dont have the time to play much, but I've just passed a huge exam, and therefore by some sick design have three months vacation, which means more time to play. I'd like to ask if any of you would play a few games, hopefully pass on some experience and help me learn the game

Also I really, really like Zed's skillset and I was wondering how hard the recent nerfs hit. Is he still a viable pick when I start playing ranked, or would my time be better spent learning someone else to go top with?

Cheers!

Edit: I play on EU west.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 21:19:25
May 31 2013 21:19 GMT
#4514
On June 01 2013 06:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 06:12 AsnSensation wrote:
How do Shy and Flame get away with Dorans first on Jayce and Kennen

Both have large MS buffs, along with being ranged. They can also farm from range.


yeah but I mean if I was the jungler I'd just camp the brush after doing buffs and even if the gank fails if I inflict only a bit of dmg, he won't be able to trade with the enemy laner anymore and eventually has to back thus losing lane

ofc I don't know if they coordinated some possible counterganks or if the support warded their lane for them, can't check at the moment.

Clg scrimming again now apparently vs Velocity
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
May 31 2013 21:20 GMT
#4515
Does anyone have any tips/tricks, to CS better as an AP mid from lvls1-7? Particularly Ahri and Orianna I guess. I don't know why but my CS earlygame is really my weakest point of league, it makes me upset because I know in sc2 if your early game macro isn't near-perfect you're basically setting yourself so far behind / games can be won thru macro alone.. and I can def see that being the case if you're csing like a Korean on League... but yeah. recently I've been using S more (i barely used it in lane, i'd just move around instead of stopping) and it helps.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 31 2013 21:23 GMT
#4516
Don't think there's any tip on how to cs better than just to practice it more (maybe even in custom games) :\ especially with Ori who has one of the best Autoattacks among AP mids.

If you have problems rightlclicking creeps try a+leftclick
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
May 31 2013 21:27 GMT
#4517
On June 01 2013 06:19 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 06:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On June 01 2013 06:12 AsnSensation wrote:
How do Shy and Flame get away with Dorans first on Jayce and Kennen

Both have large MS buffs, along with being ranged. They can also farm from range.


yeah but I mean if I was the jungler I'd just camp the brush after doing buffs and even if the gank fails if I inflict only a bit of dmg, he won't be able to trade with the enemy laner anymore and eventually has to back thus losing lane

ofc I don't know if they coordinated some possible counterganks or if the support warded their lane for them, can't check at the moment.

Clg scrimming again now apparently vs Velocity

it also depends on who they are facing in lane. If it is someone with some form of cc they probably won't start dorans blade first (well that is what I think - will have to confirm).
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 21:37:48
May 31 2013 21:28 GMT
#4518
On June 01 2013 06:17 Arctyrus wrote:
Also I really, really like Zed's skillset and I was wondering how hard the recent nerfs hit. Is he still a viable pick when I start playing ranked, or would my time be better spent learning someone else to go top with?

Champs generally don't get nerfed hard enough to warrant you not playing them

Honestly, if you're having fun with them it doesn't matter if the champ on average has a 25% win rate. It doesn't matter if you've never won a game with Zed.

On June 01 2013 06:27 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 06:19 AsnSensation wrote:
On June 01 2013 06:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On June 01 2013 06:12 AsnSensation wrote:
How do Shy and Flame get away with Dorans first on Jayce and Kennen

Both have large MS buffs, along with being ranged. They can also farm from range.


yeah but I mean if I was the jungler I'd just camp the brush after doing buffs and even if the gank fails if I inflict only a bit of dmg, he won't be able to trade with the enemy laner anymore and eventually has to back thus losing lane

ofc I don't know if they coordinated some possible counterganks or if the support warded their lane for them, can't check at the moment.

Clg scrimming again now apparently vs Velocity

it also depends on who they are facing in lane. If it is someone with some form of cc they probably won't start dorans blade first (well that is what I think - will have to confirm).

I see a lot of people play with just a Dorans. Usually it feels like I win the early trades or go even by having more pots and then I just sit back and farm while taking any 1for1 trades I can. I can't zone 2 people out on my own. I feel like I'm advantaged but if nothing happens then I'm not going to all in and draw creep aggro. I really don't trust myself to make it work out fine.
If the support is an aggressor like Blitz or Leona and if the support takes opportunities, then we're able to press the HP advantage to engage and get kills.
If the support is a poker we generally aren't able to get the enemy team low enough to zone them since we aren't coordinated enough to zone them even if both are at half hp and we're at full.

If the enemy support is a raka then the enemy ADC will get back to full health and Soraka will still have enough mana to fight.
Otherwise the wave slowly moves around and lanes start getting decided by junglers and wards. The Dorans disadvantage seems to stop mattering after people go back the first time. High gank junglers and supports that ward a lot tend to win/lose lane until one ADC gets significantly stronger than the other.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
May 31 2013 21:30 GMT
#4519
On June 01 2013 06:23 AsnSensation wrote:
Don't think there's any tip on how to cs better than just to practice it more (maybe even in custom games) :\ especially with Ori who has one of the best Autoattacks among AP mids.

If you have problems rightlclicking creeps try a+leftclick

true, Ori has been so much easier than early game Ahri for me. i've been practicing customs, trying to hit 10/min or so, and CS @ certain time intervals that i pulled from some OGN games
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 31 2013 21:36 GMT
#4520
Awww+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 351 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 485
SteadfastSC 144
NeuroSwarm 132
ForJumy 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 123
UpATreeSC 102
firebathero 65
NaDa 24
Dota 2
syndereN541
canceldota105
capcasts58
Counter-Strike
adren_tv655
minikerr13
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King77
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor163
Other Games
summit1g4696
Grubby3676
ToD246
Liquid`Hasu245
C9.Mang0140
Trikslyr72
ROOTCatZ38
shahzam3
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV26
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 14
• mYiSmile11
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV692
League of Legends
• Doublelift3161
• TFBlade1293
Other Games
• imaqtpie1462
• Shiphtur223
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 13m
Escore
11h 13m
LiuLi Cup
12h 13m
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
Big Brain Bouts
18h 13m
ByuN vs GgMaChine
Serral vs Jumy
RSL Revival
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 9h
LiuLi Cup
1d 12h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 13h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-10
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.