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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 22:16:06
May 26 2013 22:12 GMT
#3001
On May 27 2013 07:02 Infundibulum wrote:
Does anyone know if runic affinity increases the duration that nunu gets from his consume buffs?

This is actually a good question, but I think the answer is no.

edit: yeah it doesn't.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 26 2013 22:17 GMT
#3002
On May 27 2013 07:10 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:07 57 Corvette wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:55 Alaric wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:44 57 Corvette wrote:
Sejuani #1 highest Winrate. Still pretty much never banned.

Oh well, guess I'l just keep riding the freelo boar.

They don't pick her. I used to ban Sejuani and Zac in Silver I, then I noticed they weren't going to be picked anyway, so I'm back to banning Zed, Kha'Zix and Elise (though not atm hue).
Nautilus, however, is gaining fame right now. I blame pro games. I guess once the summer split kicks off and the lemmings see Sejuani picked super often (was disabled during all-stars) she'll have to be banned.


So wait, why was Sejuani disabled during All-stars?


Games were played on the Lissandra patch and Riot usually disables the newest champion(s)

Yup. Games were played on Frejlord Patch (v 3.06) so all new Frejlord champions (Lissandra, Sejuani, Trundle) were disabled in addition to the bugged ones.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 26 2013 22:20 GMT
#3003
I do not think the support pool is shallow, however the problem is that a lot of the "deeper" supports are too easily countered, or lose lane regardless.

Its like: Thresh, Sona, Lulu = Safe + Game changer tier. Janna, Zyra, Elise, Ali, Leona (Maybe Nami, i never see her)= Game changer teir. Then you have a bunch of champs: Blitz, Morgana, Soraka, Kayle, Taric (now), Fiddle, Lux, Leblanc, and Nunu, that can be strong, but you have to give up sooo much somewhere.

Riot needs to stop nerfing Sona and look at maybe giving some other supports some love. Maybe Champs like Kayle, and Lux are fine because of their other uses. But Soraka is rubbish right now.
Freeeeeeedom
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 26 2013 22:22 GMT
#3004
if you don't include blitz in "game changer tier", you definitely have to change the names of said tier.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2013 22:24 GMT
#3005
Soraka needs rework.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 26 2013 22:24 GMT
#3006
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f3lxr/clg_nientonsoh/
dafuck
wut apparently Nien became at least a sub for clg and is listed in the weekly streaming schedule now, while aphro isn't anymore

He is spamming top champs while JiJi is spamming jungle

top Nien
jungle Jiji
mid link
+Chausterlift
inc?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13859 Posts
May 26 2013 22:25 GMT
#3007
On May 27 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
I do not think the support pool is shallow, however the problem is that a lot of the "deeper" supports are too easily countered, or lose lane regardless.

Its like: Thresh, Sona, Lulu = Safe + Game changer tier. Janna, Zyra, Elise, Ali, Leona (Maybe Nami, i never see her)= Game changer teir. Then you have a bunch of champs: Blitz, Morgana, Soraka, Kayle, Taric (now), Fiddle, Lux, Leblanc, and Nunu, that can be strong, but you have to give up sooo much somewhere.

Riot needs to stop nerfing Sona and look at maybe giving some other supports some love. Maybe Champs like Kayle, and Lux are fine because of their other uses. But Soraka is rubbish right now.

Soraka is a good counter pick support. She trash's melle supports utterly and can command bush control from almost any hero. Abuse the small but reliably always won trades of e-auto attack.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17245 Posts
May 26 2013 22:27 GMT
#3008
On May 27 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f3lxr/clg_nientonsoh/
dafuck
wut apparently Nien became at least a sub for clg and is listed in the weekly streaming schedule now, while aphro isn't anymore

He is spamming top champs while JiJi is spamming jungle

top Nien
jungle Jiji
mid link
+Chausterlift
inc?

CLG really doesn't want to win.
twitch.tv/cratonz
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 26 2013 22:30 GMT
#3009
On May 27 2013 07:25 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
I do not think the support pool is shallow, however the problem is that a lot of the "deeper" supports are too easily countered, or lose lane regardless.

Its like: Thresh, Sona, Lulu = Safe + Game changer tier. Janna, Zyra, Elise, Ali, Leona (Maybe Nami, i never see her)= Game changer teir. Then you have a bunch of champs: Blitz, Morgana, Soraka, Kayle, Taric (now), Fiddle, Lux, Leblanc, and Nunu, that can be strong, but you have to give up sooo much somewhere.

Riot needs to stop nerfing Sona and look at maybe giving some other supports some love. Maybe Champs like Kayle, and Lux are fine because of their other uses. But Soraka is rubbish right now.

Soraka is a good counter pick support. She trash's melle supports utterly and can command bush control from almost any hero. Abuse the small but reliably always won trades of e-auto attack.


Soraka might be fine in some matchups, but she gets crushed by the big 3 right now, and that is not because they are too strong, she is too weak.

Also on blitz, he is a gamechanger, IDK what my tired mind was doing.
Freeeeeeedom
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 22:32:55
May 26 2013 22:32 GMT
#3010
On May 27 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f3lxr/clg_nientonsoh/
dafuck
wut apparently Nien became at least a sub for clg and is listed in the weekly streaming schedule now, while aphro isn't anymore

He is spamming top champs while JiJi is spamming jungle

top Nien
jungle Jiji
mid link
+Chausterlift
inc?

jiji and chausterlift? i think i can start to cheer for CLG lol.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13859 Posts
May 26 2013 22:32 GMT
#3011
On May 27 2013 07:30 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:25 Sermokala wrote:
On May 27 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
I do not think the support pool is shallow, however the problem is that a lot of the "deeper" supports are too easily countered, or lose lane regardless.

Its like: Thresh, Sona, Lulu = Safe + Game changer tier. Janna, Zyra, Elise, Ali, Leona (Maybe Nami, i never see her)= Game changer teir. Then you have a bunch of champs: Blitz, Morgana, Soraka, Kayle, Taric (now), Fiddle, Lux, Leblanc, and Nunu, that can be strong, but you have to give up sooo much somewhere.

Riot needs to stop nerfing Sona and look at maybe giving some other supports some love. Maybe Champs like Kayle, and Lux are fine because of their other uses. But Soraka is rubbish right now.

Soraka is a good counter pick support. She trash's melle supports utterly and can command bush control from almost any hero. Abuse the small but reliably always won trades of e-auto attack.


Soraka might be fine in some matchups, but she gets crushed by the big 3 right now, and that is not because they are too strong, she is too weak.

Also on blitz, he is a gamechanger, IDK what my tired mind was doing.

This is true. She is a good counterpick poke support but doesn't have the firepower to stand up to better pokers.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 22:34:48
May 26 2013 22:33 GMT
#3012
soraka is good vs most if not all poke supports, she is not a poke support herself
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 26 2013 22:35 GMT
#3013
Why would CLG rework so fast their entire team after a convincing performance during the LCS Qualifiers ? HotBrainGG...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 26 2013 22:36 GMT
#3014
On May 27 2013 07:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
soraka is good vs poke supports


Indeed, that is why people pick her so often vs. Lulu, Thresh, and Sona. Also vs. Zyra and Elise.

/Sarcasm off
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 26 2013 22:37 GMT
#3015
Raka/Graves is so underrated.
Carrilord has arrived.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 26 2013 22:37 GMT
#3016
shes good vs lulu, ok vs zyra/sona, bad vs thresh/elise
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 26 2013 22:41 GMT
#3017
soraka counters zed, khazix and other assassins

silence OP
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 26 2013 22:43 GMT
#3018
On May 27 2013 07:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
soraka counters zed, khazix and other assassins

silence OP

/Sarcasm on
Oh yes, she is often picked vs. those champions.

/off
Freeeeeeedom
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 26 2013 22:45 GMT
#3019
what makes you so sure soraka is weak?
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
May 26 2013 22:45 GMT
#3020
Late to the party but Riot has stated repeatedly in the past that their vision for Ezreal is a high mobility, high skill, kiting oriented champion and thats why they nerfed his attack speed rather than his Q or E when he was godmode. Blue build puts Ezreal in the exact place they want him to be. Now this style may be "unfun" and get nerfed to shit like Soraka and Shaco for that reason but in terms of style, he's filling his niche better than ever.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
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