EPTOn May 27 2013 07:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
soraka counters zed, khazix and other assassins
silence OP
soraka counters zed, khazix and other assassins
silence OP
Soraka makes my inner Ryze cringe.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Soraka makes my inner Ryze cringe. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
Warms my heart when being Soraka forces the enemy Ryze to buy merc treads. :D | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 27 2013 07:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: what makes you so sure soraka is weak? You know, picks, bans, winrates. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Oh so not reason and experience. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: What Soraka is afraid of is all-ins, and she has very weak lane presence early on. If the other AD has higher range or is stronger early then your AD will be behind in CS. But once you reach Lv5 you're fine vs pretty much anyone except when getting hooked. Most poke champions will let you get to Lv5 no problem, but you can't do it vs people who can hard engage like Thresh. Outside of lane phase she has one of the best support skillsets. Oh so not reason and experience. Personal experience supports it, but I'm not good enough to think I should rely on that alone. IMO you are suffering from a case of TL hipster syndrome. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:06 nafta wrote: How is minimal amount of cc and some heals one of the best support skillsets?Unless you laned vs taric most supports offer a lot more to a team.Even in poke wars alistar/sona can sustain better than her. her ult counters AoE wombo combos and her W can leave single target damage dealers with their target still alive and everything on cd. thats not even mentioning her silence. playing Soraka in the team fight phase is like a game of chicken, the absolute latest you can hit ult w/o anyone dying the further ahead you put your team. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
And I was referring to LCS Pick/bans. 5 Combined Picks, 0 Bans, 1 Win, that win was in a Cheese botlane. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:11 Sufficiency wrote: Soraka is bad because her heal is too weak for the cooldown/mana cost, her Q does too little damage, and her only CC is a silence. Her R is great but the cooldown is too high. Honestly, her Q is there for the retarded amounts of MR shred, not the damage. I mean FFS dude. Means she works exceptionally well with high magic damage teams (especially teams with high sustained magic damage, say a Ryze+Rumble), while her W's more for her armor steroid now versus assassins like Zed (who need to kill a single target in a teamfight to make a difference). Her kit, while great on paper, is however hampered by the situational nature of it. If you're running AD mid like Zed or Kha, you aren't reaping the full benefits from it, and its situationally based on the enemy team and your team (in comparison to other supports whom can more generally fit into most every one without much worry, and don't reveal too much about your team comp). | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:12 cLutZ wrote: Soraka's teamfighting is good. Not good enough to justify her mediocre laning and terrible gank support. And I was referring to LCS Pick/bans. 5 Combined Picks, 0 Bans, 1 Win, that win was in a Cheese botlane. it is? With everyone and their mothers carrying Ignite, the heal really isn't that great. The only good thing is that her R is good against Karthus. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:12 cLutZ wrote: Soraka's teamfighting is good. Not good enough to justify her mediocre laning and terrible gank support. And I was referring to LCS Pick/bans. 5 Combined Picks, 0 Bans, 1 Win, that win was in a Cheese botlane. wasn't it Complexity every time that picked her? not a champion issue. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On May 27 2013 07:24 AsnSensation wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f3lxr/clg_nientonsoh/ dafuck wut apparently Nien became at least a sub for clg and is listed in the weekly streaming schedule now, while aphro isn't anymore He is spamming top champs while JiJi is spamming jungle top Nien jungle Jiji mid link +Chausterlift inc? If this is true, this is pretty sad news for Aphromoo. As much as I was confused by the initial idea of aphromoo on support before, I think he's a very good player and adapts really well. I was relatively impressed by how fast aphromoo picked up the support role. All he really needs at the moment is more experience with it. For that, all you can do is give it some more time. It would sincerely be a bad move for CLG to drop Aphromoo/force him into another team. That's a really talented player they are letting go yet again. At the very least, I hope Aphromoo keeps being a pro player in LoL. The best move for CLG would be to "release" aphromoo, but in reality just pick up a secondary team that aphromoo would be on instead. Somewhat like what TSM did with Quantic/Cloud9 and their manager "stepping down". | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:27 Sufficiency wrote: it is? With everyone and their mothers carrying Ignite, the heal really isn't that great. The only good thing is that her R is good against Karthus. It can be (absolutely meh for high phys teams, while potentially abusive for high magic teams). All depends on stacking Q debuffs. Ignite also matters less nowadays for her W considering it's there for the armor steroid (which again means it's either great versus something like Zed where you can negate his all AD combo, or useless versus, say, a Fizz). | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
She could use some buffs but shes really on that edge of being amazing, while now being a newb trap support. She excels as an anti melle support specialist and excels greatly as that in lane. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
Much like nunu before his top lane support nerfs. | ||
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