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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 23 2013 06:01 GMT
#2101
On May 23 2013 14:51 TheLink wrote:
My rule with and against Draven is hard cc. Draven hits his bloodrush and runs at the AD you just polymorph/dazzle/tornado him, there's nothing the AD can really do though. Cait's kind of annoying but I think the emphasis is more on the AD there. He has to find good spots to hit her with abilities since Cait sucks so much in an all-in fight and basically has to run.

My 2cents anyway.


You can always just learn urgot lol. Varus does fine against cait I've found, and an aggressive graves does fine too. My go to vs. cait used to used to be lvl 6 trist all in with ignite, but ever since adc's started bringing barrier every game it doesn't work so well anymore.

In other news, counterpicking kass as annie by taking ad runes/masteries is kind of hilarious (I even went doran's blade + doran's ring instead of doran's ring x2 first back).
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 23 2013 06:02 GMT
#2102
On May 23 2013 14:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 14:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:59 cLutZ wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:30 caelym wrote:
Knowing what I know about GGU and Quantic, I still don't think this is the big announcement Travis hinted at (or maybe it is and he just deceived me).


My guess is that it is.


Considering you told us you knew before what it is...

Like I said in the All-star thread, I was talking about Magma Chamber.


Yea, and that announcement was as predictable as Lebron James winning the MVP.

srsly? -o-
Why couldn't Riot have played on SR.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 23 2013 06:05 GMT
#2103
On May 23 2013 14:15 dartoo wrote:
Question guys, I've got about 15k points saved up, and around level 22, should I just start buying heroes, or is it better to get some runes and just play with the free heroes? I've currently unlocked ashe, amumu and tristana,all from garena promotions. A lot of the people I'm facing now hae full pages of runes, and if feels like it gives them some advantage esp. early game, of while jungling.
Also are t3 runes really worth the price at this point? They are three times the cost for a small upgrade


Buy T3 runes that are all-rounders (Arp / MP reds, HP quints, Armor seals etc) so you can use them on alot of champs.

Then buy one champ for each role (like 3150 has some awesome champs, probably need 4800 for an ADC though.) and go hell mary on that shit.
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2013 06:12 GMT
#2104
15k runes is only like 2 set of runes >.<
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 06:21:27
May 23 2013 06:15 GMT
#2105
On May 23 2013 15:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 14:56 cLutZ wrote:
On May 23 2013 14:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:59 cLutZ wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:30 caelym wrote:
Knowing what I know about GGU and Quantic, I still don't think this is the big announcement Travis hinted at (or maybe it is and he just deceived me).


My guess is that it is.


Considering you told us you knew before what it is...

Like I said in the All-star thread, I was talking about Magma Chamber.


Yea, and that announcement was as predictable as Lebron James winning the MVP.

srsly? -o-
Why couldn't Riot have played on SR.


They talked about that map like weeks ago?

Edit.

Unless they are talking about more maps than 1, but no one cares about maps.

Edit2.

Its like the D-League announcing its adding a team, or, at best, like the Redskins announcing they are switching to artificial turf after RG3's injury.
Freeeeeeedom
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 06:17:23
May 23 2013 06:16 GMT
#2106
On May 23 2013 15:12 wei2coolman wrote:
15k runes is only like 2 set of runes >.<


You can buy something like i suggested and get away with one set untill 30 really.

22 -> 30 will easily net you another 10k at least, which you can use to rune yourself up.

Then you need to play the obligatory 1 million normal drafts before ranked. Which nets you the other cash to buy champs.
Useless wet fish.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 23 2013 06:16 GMT
#2107
Yeah, I thought it had been well-established by now that Magma Chamber was going to be the 1v1 map
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2013 06:20 GMT
#2108
On May 23 2013 15:16 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 15:12 wei2coolman wrote:
15k runes is only like 2 set of runes >.<


You can buy something like i suggested and get away with one set untill 30 really.

22 -> 30 will easily net you another 10k at least, which you can use to rune yourself up.

Then you need to play the obligatory 1 million normal drafts before ranked. Which nets you the other cash to buy champs.

Well. Some runes are like 900 a piece. I know hybrid pen ones are ridiculous. So each section of runes can run 8k. I wasnt talking about filling out a page. I was just talking about section.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
May 23 2013 06:32 GMT
#2109
On May 23 2013 14:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 13:59 cLutZ wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 23 2013 13:30 caelym wrote:
Knowing what I know about GGU and Quantic, I still don't think this is the big announcement Travis hinted at (or maybe it is and he just deceived me).


My guess is that it is.


Considering you told us you knew before what it is...

Like I said in the All-star thread, I was talking about Magma Chamber.

The best told lies...
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 23 2013 06:48 GMT
#2110
They call me Belial...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
May 23 2013 06:51 GMT
#2111
I see that TL...
http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/the-lcs-na-all-star-team-on-team-chemistry-and-more-6408746/?contsessid=ba06079dd14a7153ee398d98e357ef7a&prevBounce=6408717
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 23 2013 06:58 GMT
#2112
On May 23 2013 15:51 Gahlo wrote:
I see that TL...
http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/the-lcs-na-all-star-team-on-team-chemistry-and-more-6408746/?contsessid=ba06079dd14a7153ee398d98e357ef7a&prevBounce=6408717

We know at least Voy, Saint, and Scarra read our recaps as far as NA goes. Now if only we could get them to post here.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
May 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#2113
I knew Travis was coming last Thursday so I wore the TL shirt for you guys :D
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 07:06:32
May 23 2013 07:06 GMT
#2114
On May 23 2013 16:01 caelym wrote:
I knew Travis was coming last Thursday so I wore the TL shirt for you guys :D

Wondered if that was you. Way to represent, didn't know you were at the mansion.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
May 23 2013 07:07 GMT
#2115
On May 23 2013 16:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 16:01 caelym wrote:
I knew Travis was coming last Thursday so I wore the TL shirt for you guys :D

Wondered if that was you. Way to represent, didn't know you were at the mansion.

only for bootcamp
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 07:08:47
May 23 2013 07:08 GMT
#2116
On May 23 2013 16:07 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 16:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 23 2013 16:01 caelym wrote:
I knew Travis was coming last Thursday so I wore the TL shirt for you guys :D

Wondered if that was you. Way to represent, didn't know you were at the mansion.

only for bootcamp

Still cool stuff, got dat TL man on the inside. Next time you see them tell Curse not to suck for me, kthx :D
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 23 2013 07:09 GMT
#2117
So i thought i'd run the numbers on an "adequate" runeset for a pre-30.

HP Quints - 6K (Nothing else is really adequate here, either 2k or you need 2 sets for 1k ap/ad. You COULD buy gp10 quints for 500 a pop, but they suck on anything non-support / supp jungler)

Armor Seals - 1845 - Cheap enough and used all the time.

Hybrid Pen OR ArP + MP - 7380 Yeah, this shits expensive. Could reduce it by 25% by buying AD runes instead of ArP, but meh.

MR Glyphs - 1845.

Total - About 15k. Lol.

Ok yeah, i'd suggest spending all your money on the above set and saving for champions afterwards. That set is a decent all rounder that'll keep you going untill your 30 and have a good champion pool.

Useless wet fish.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 07:16:10
May 23 2013 07:13 GMT
#2118
Red - AD/Mpen
Quints - AD/AP

I think these are better for starting. Arpen is more specialized, and while it is slightly better, at lower levels especially the ability to miss fewer last hits is worth far more.

Then add AS red, GP10 quints for jungle/support pages.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 23 2013 07:16 GMT
#2119
Crs IWDomínate so heavy :s

but still carryable
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 23 2013 07:26 GMT
#2120
On May 23 2013 16:09 Capped wrote:
So i thought i'd run the numbers on an "adequate" runeset for a pre-30.

HP Quints - 6K (Nothing else is really adequate here, either 2k or you need 2 sets for 1k ap/ad. You COULD buy gp10 quints for 500 a pop, but they suck on anything non-support / supp jungler)

Armor Seals - 1845 - Cheap enough and used all the time.

Hybrid Pen OR ArP + MP - 7380 Yeah, this shits expensive. Could reduce it by 25% by buying AD runes instead of ArP, but meh.

MR Glyphs - 1845.

Total - About 15k. Lol.

Ok yeah, i'd suggest spending all your money on the above set and saving for champions afterwards. That set is a decent all rounder that'll keep you going untill your 30 and have a good champion pool.



Movement quints are more universal than heath imo, but they are expensive. Also AD quints aren't that bad on mages or supports, aa harass and easier last hitting aren't useless.
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