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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2013 20:06 GMT
#1721
On May 06 2013 04:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Getting fed as TF makes me feel like Jesus.

So a jewish zombie made of bread and wine? Or am I missing the connotation?
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 05 2013 20:06 GMT
#1722
On May 06 2013 05:06 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 04:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Getting fed as TF makes me feel like Jesus.

So a jewish zombie made of bread and wine? Or am I missing the connotation?


More the entire omnipotent/ omniscient thing
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 20:08:55
May 05 2013 20:08 GMT
#1723
On May 06 2013 05:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:06 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 06 2013 04:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Getting fed as TF makes me feel like Jesus.

So a jewish zombie made of bread and wine? Or am I missing the connotation?


More the entire omnipotent/ omniscient thing

But only once every 120~ seconds.
liftlift > tsm
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
May 05 2013 20:20 GMT
#1724
I've been wanting to practice TF, but I've seen a huge increase in his banrate lately. Like, in the past two weeks, he's banned at least half of my games. Guess I'll have to learn someone else lol.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
May 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#1725
To be honest, I dont know how you wanna nerf tf without making him completely useless. Destiny is good the way it is, the CD is pretty damn high, the range is ok, and if you dont get something out of using it, it's useless. So it has a nice risk/reward ratio, as it should be.
The other spells also seem to be ok, decent poke but nothing spectacular, decent dmg but nothing out of bounds.
Maybe the passive could get a rework, but if you increase his cooldowns/lower the damage/range of spells (especially destiny), he will become super useless super fast. It's hard enough as it is to get a decent gank done, you can ping 100 times and when you teleport behind them you are suddenly facing the adc/sup alone while YOUR FUCKING RETARDED TEAMMATES FARM UNDER THE FUCKING TOWER BECAUSE FUCKING YOLO RIGHT???


RIGHT?

Seriously though, tf is a nice champ and the ult can easily be countered by other ultis with golbal presence like stand united or requiem.
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 05 2013 20:34 GMT
#1726
On May 06 2013 05:26 Djin)ftw( wrote:
To be honest, I dont know how you wanna nerf tf without making him completely useless. Destiny is good the way it is, the CD is pretty damn high, the range is ok, and if you dont get something out of using it, it's useless. So it has a nice risk/reward ratio, as it should be.
The other spells also seem to be ok, decent poke but nothing spectacular, decent dmg but nothing out of bounds.
Maybe the passive could get a rework, but if you increase his cooldowns/lower the damage/range of spells (especially destiny), he will become super useless super fast. It's hard enough as it is to get a decent gank done, you can ping 100 times and when you teleport behind them you are suddenly facing the adc/sup alone while YOUR FUCKING RETARDED TEAMMATES FARM UNDER THE FUCKING TOWER BECAUSE FUCKING YOLO RIGHT???


RIGHT?

Seriously though, tf is a nice champ and the ult can easily be countered by other ultis with golbal presence like stand united or requiem.

The nerfs on the PBE seem to do a pretty good job of nerfing him without going overboard. You're right, he's hard to balance between OP and useless, but in his current state he's too strong. I think you're looking at this too much from a soloq perceptive, this is really a nerf targeted at the highest level of play.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 05 2013 20:40 GMT
#1727
On May 03 2013 13:57 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote:
Galio's ult is just not so amazing compared to more modern champions, since it's got a ridiculously long cooldown and he doesn't have a gapcloser.

It does a lot of damage, but, kinda meh. You have to flash into the enemy team to make it work.


Edit: As far as AFKing goes, I think people AFKing is one of the smallest toxicity issues on Riots plate. It bugs me a little that if somebody disconnects in a ranked game that the matchmaker doesn't account for that in your losses (when it easily could), but people have to leave games sometimes. Report them so it gets to tribunal if they do it all the time, but don't let it upset you too much.

Imagine if you didn't lose MMR/LP if it was a 4v5, Athene's duo will mysteriously disconnect all the time.


Hahaha, everyone's league score would look like back in battlenet days.

Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX (18 - 0 - 136) has connected.
Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX: UNDEFEATED WITH FIZZ. MID OR FEED.

On May 04 2013 20:37 sob3k wrote:
man, drugs are fun


Did nobody catch this? Too funny. Felt like I stumbled into the High Thread haha.

I think a Allstars 1v1 tourney would be cool. 5 groups of 5. All the supports in the same group, etc... then make a bracket from the top 2 of each group or something. I like the ban + blind pick but I also like having a champ pool of only 5 allowed. And definitely have it 3 kill/two towers or something. What's the new 1v1 map? Can't you just hold it on that?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 05 2013 20:42 GMT
#1728
It's sort of interesting. If someone like saintvicious said JUNGLE OR FEED I'm pretty sure he indeed would feed at his elo if he didn't get jungle... But still saying it is somehow wrong.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 05 2013 20:43 GMT
#1729
Swain + ARAM + Clarity = LOLSAUCE
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 05 2013 20:50 GMT
#1730
On May 06 2013 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:06 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 06 2013 04:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Getting fed as TF makes me feel like Jesus.

So a jewish zombie made of bread and wine? Or am I missing the connotation?


More the entire omnipotent/ omniscient thing

But only once every 120~ seconds.


...So EXACTLY like jesus
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 05 2013 21:01 GMT
#1731
then some judas baits you to ult and you lose your streak
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
May 05 2013 21:01 GMT
#1732
On May 06 2013 05:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:26 Djin)ftw( wrote:
To be honest, I dont know how you wanna nerf tf without making him completely useless. Destiny is good the way it is, the CD is pretty damn high, the range is ok, and if you dont get something out of using it, it's useless. So it has a nice risk/reward ratio, as it should be.
The other spells also seem to be ok, decent poke but nothing spectacular, decent dmg but nothing out of bounds.
Maybe the passive could get a rework, but if you increase his cooldowns/lower the damage/range of spells (especially destiny), he will become super useless super fast. It's hard enough as it is to get a decent gank done, you can ping 100 times and when you teleport behind them you are suddenly facing the adc/sup alone while YOUR FUCKING RETARDED TEAMMATES FARM UNDER THE FUCKING TOWER BECAUSE FUCKING YOLO RIGHT???


RIGHT?

Seriously though, tf is a nice champ and the ult can easily be countered by other ultis with golbal presence like stand united or requiem.

The nerfs on the PBE seem to do a pretty good job of nerfing him without going overboard. You're right, he's hard to balance between OP and useless, but in his current state he's too strong. I think you're looking at this too much from a soloq perceptive, this is really a nerf targeted at the highest level of play.


Hm, do you know what they they wanna do to him?
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 05 2013 21:16 GMT
#1733
On May 06 2013 06:01 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:26 Djin)ftw( wrote:
To be honest, I dont know how you wanna nerf tf without making him completely useless. Destiny is good the way it is, the CD is pretty damn high, the range is ok, and if you dont get something out of using it, it's useless. So it has a nice risk/reward ratio, as it should be.
The other spells also seem to be ok, decent poke but nothing spectacular, decent dmg but nothing out of bounds.
Maybe the passive could get a rework, but if you increase his cooldowns/lower the damage/range of spells (especially destiny), he will become super useless super fast. It's hard enough as it is to get a decent gank done, you can ping 100 times and when you teleport behind them you are suddenly facing the adc/sup alone while YOUR FUCKING RETARDED TEAMMATES FARM UNDER THE FUCKING TOWER BECAUSE FUCKING YOLO RIGHT???


RIGHT?

Seriously though, tf is a nice champ and the ult can easily be countered by other ultis with golbal presence like stand united or requiem.

The nerfs on the PBE seem to do a pretty good job of nerfing him without going overboard. You're right, he's hard to balance between OP and useless, but in his current state he's too strong. I think you're looking at this too much from a soloq perceptive, this is really a nerf targeted at the highest level of play.


Hm, do you know what they they wanna do to him?

Ultimate CD increased at level 1 by like 30 seconds, CDR from E is gone (but I think he gains more attack speed now, though I'm not sure)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
May 05 2013 21:17 GMT
#1734
On May 06 2013 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Swain + ARAM + Clarity = LOLSAUCE

How does having a useless summoner equate to doing well? You're so much stronger with a barrier / cleanse / heal.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 21:23:58
May 05 2013 21:22 GMT
#1735
On May 06 2013 06:17 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Swain + ARAM + Clarity = LOLSAUCE

How does having a useless summoner equate to doing well? You're so much stronger with a barrier / cleanse / heal.

No, you just don't *know*.

Heal/Clarity and start Eleise's Miracle


Oh and yay, Kerp in the LCS. Now I can fanboy him better.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 05 2013 21:26 GMT
#1736
Pretty sure you were fanboy'ing Kerp all too well before he made it to the LCS.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 21:29:03
May 05 2013 21:28 GMT
#1737
On May 06 2013 06:01 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:26 Djin)ftw( wrote:
To be honest, I dont know how you wanna nerf tf without making him completely useless. Destiny is good the way it is, the CD is pretty damn high, the range is ok, and if you dont get something out of using it, it's useless. So it has a nice risk/reward ratio, as it should be.
The other spells also seem to be ok, decent poke but nothing spectacular, decent dmg but nothing out of bounds.
Maybe the passive could get a rework, but if you increase his cooldowns/lower the damage/range of spells (especially destiny), he will become super useless super fast. It's hard enough as it is to get a decent gank done, you can ping 100 times and when you teleport behind them you are suddenly facing the adc/sup alone while YOUR FUCKING RETARDED TEAMMATES FARM UNDER THE FUCKING TOWER BECAUSE FUCKING YOLO RIGHT???


RIGHT?

Seriously though, tf is a nice champ and the ult can easily be countered by other ultis with golbal presence like stand united or requiem.

The nerfs on the PBE seem to do a pretty good job of nerfing him without going overboard. You're right, he's hard to balance between OP and useless, but in his current state he's too strong. I think you're looking at this too much from a soloq perceptive, this is really a nerf targeted at the highest level of play.


Hm, do you know what they they wanna do to him?

This is what was on the PBE
Destiny [ R ] - Tooltip now says it takes 1.5 seconds
Destiny [ R ] - Cooldown increased to 180/150/120 Seconds (up from 150/135/120 Seconds)
Pick A Card [ W ] - Blue card simply says "Blue Card deals 40/60/80/100/120 (+1*AD) (+0.4*AP) magic damage and restores Mana." and now leaves out "restoring (0.4*AD)mana (65% of the base damage and totalAD, does not include AP)."
Stacked Deck [ E ] - now increases attack speed by 10/15/20/25/30 %. (up from 3/6/9/12/15 %)
Stacked Deck [ E ] - No longer reduces cooldown time
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 05 2013 21:31 GMT
#1738
lmao capricious 2-1 best riven NA
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 05 2013 21:32 GMT
#1739
On May 06 2013 06:17 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Swain + ARAM + Clarity = LOLSAUCE

How does having a useless summoner equate to doing well? You're so much stronger with a barrier / cleanse / heal.


You'd be surprised how good having all that mana for your team is at the beginning of the game. I usually go like Grail + Mana Manip so I spam like crazy.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
May 05 2013 21:36 GMT
#1740
TF does need a nerf but removing the CDR off of his E is overdoing it IMO. 56% WR is at the point where serious nerfs are necessary due to being out of line.

The main point to consider though is this doesn't affect TF's early game at all. You lose 3% CDR from level 4-13, not much at all
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