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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
May 05 2013 10:55 GMT
#1681
On May 05 2013 19:39 Lmui wrote:
I just realized. Rumble/TF are dominating the W/L at 56% but Sona, despite being as squishy as a minion has a 55% WR and Janna's up there too in soloQ. Interesting to say the least, given that they haven't changed much. Other surprising champions at high WRs are nautilus and rammus.


Nauti and rammus very always pretty strong imho. The fucking taunr from rammus is so annoying, combined with an mf ult its gg t.t Nautis ult is also great.

On a sidenot, karma is not the bottom of the list anymore. Olaf replaced her. man I remember when he was instapicked/banned last year, then the nerf hammer came. Poor olaf
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 05 2013 10:57 GMT
#1682
On May 05 2013 18:44 Shikyo wrote:
Well it really was a lot more difficult back when his W gave tenacity... Now he's much easier to kite and hold back. You deal with him in the same exact way as you do with like, any bruiser with say, ghost activated. He still can 1v1 anything of course but I really don't think anything changed about how you play against him, apart from the fact that, again, it's much easier now that he doesn't get a ton of free tenacity. How you deal with a ghosted bruiser depends, but it can range from peeling to focusing to kiting etc.

His ult is actually weaker now in the lategame.

Pretty big difference is that now he hits harder, and his bite doesn't take 3s to activate when he's on his zone.

10/2 with the troll jungle atm, I have a lot of trouble making him work well top though. Let's say I go even and even have a big advantage in my lane, but I feel like he doesn't snowball enough for SoloQ needs.
The legend of Darien lives on
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 05 2013 11:08 GMT
#1683
On May 05 2013 19:51 Djin)ftw( wrote:
What adc should I buy?

Right now I have ashe, but I dont like her, the attack animation is awful imho.
Trist, which I really come to love, but I wanna learn new champions.
corki, who i currently play and who feels very weak because of his low mana pool
sivir, which I also dont like. no escape, no peel, people just dive on you and kill you while you desperately try to kite them with your passive. Really annoying.

So, twitch is cheap. Kog 'maw, graves and draven look really fun though, I dont know. Never played them t.t maybe you can help? Oo

Ezreal and Cait are the quintessential AD carries, everyone on your list is viable, though. Just buy what you want.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2013 11:10 GMT
#1684
On May 05 2013 19:51 Djin)ftw( wrote:
What adc should I buy?

Right now I have ashe, but I dont like her, the attack animation is awful imho.
Trist, which I really come to love, but I wanna learn new champions.
corki, who i currently play and who feels very weak because of his low mana pool
sivir, which I also dont like. no escape, no peel, people just dive on you and kill you while you desperately try to kite them with your passive. Really annoying.

So, twitch is cheap. Kog 'maw, graves and draven look really fun though, I dont know. Never played them t.t maybe you can help? Oo

Draven. Cuz stache' do you even need another reason?

Draven is an extreme case of win lane win game; he's very strong in lane, his ridiculous damage makes it very hard for opponent to trade favorably against him.
liftlift > tsm
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
May 05 2013 11:23 GMT
#1685
On May 05 2013 20:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 19:51 Djin)ftw( wrote:
What adc should I buy?

Right now I have ashe, but I dont like her, the attack animation is awful imho.
Trist, which I really come to love, but I wanna learn new champions.
corki, who i currently play and who feels very weak because of his low mana pool
sivir, which I also dont like. no escape, no peel, people just dive on you and kill you while you desperately try to kite them with your passive. Really annoying.

So, twitch is cheap. Kog 'maw, graves and draven look really fun though, I dont know. Never played them t.t maybe you can help? Oo

Draven. Cuz stache' do you even need another reason?

Draven is an extreme case of win lane win game; he's very strong in lane, his ridiculous damage makes it very hard for opponent to trade favorably against him.


Yeah, whenever I see destiny play him I'm like "wtf dat dmg?"
I only played twice or so against him, the dot is really annoying. Hm but I guess he is one the hardest champions to play, mechanicallywise. Ah well. YOLO right?
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 05 2013 11:37 GMT
#1686
Get Quinn. She's so... quinnly.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 11:37:19
May 05 2013 11:37 GMT
#1687
On May 05 2013 20:23 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 20:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:51 Djin)ftw( wrote:
What adc should I buy?

Right now I have ashe, but I dont like her, the attack animation is awful imho.
Trist, which I really come to love, but I wanna learn new champions.
corki, who i currently play and who feels very weak because of his low mana pool
sivir, which I also dont like. no escape, no peel, people just dive on you and kill you while you desperately try to kite them with your passive. Really annoying.

So, twitch is cheap. Kog 'maw, graves and draven look really fun though, I dont know. Never played them t.t maybe you can help? Oo

Draven. Cuz stache' do you even need another reason?

Draven is an extreme case of win lane win game; he's very strong in lane, his ridiculous damage makes it very hard for opponent to trade favorably against him.


Yeah, whenever I see destiny play him I'm like "wtf dat dmg?"
I only played twice or so against him, the dot is really annoying. Hm but I guess he is one the hardest champions to play, mechanicallywise. Ah well. YOLO right?

Think of catching axes as a minigame.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 13:55:24
May 05 2013 13:30 GMT
#1688
On May 05 2013 13:33 cLutZ wrote:
God, Solo lane Janna is so hilarious. Once you get a certain amount of AP pushing is so easy.

Shut up! Or they'll nerf her again

I'm waiting for this number to shoot up... http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven&region=na&league=platinum#statistics
wait... nvm they were all diamonds playing in Best Riven NA...
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
May 05 2013 14:07 GMT
#1689
Is there a list of keyword you can put in the search bar when selecting a champion? Can't find it anywhere. I know carry and support works.
Brood War is forever
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
May 05 2013 14:18 GMT
#1690
On May 05 2013 20:23 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 20:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2013 19:51 Djin)ftw( wrote:
What adc should I buy?

Right now I have ashe, but I dont like her, the attack animation is awful imho.
Trist, which I really come to love, but I wanna learn new champions.
corki, who i currently play and who feels very weak because of his low mana pool
sivir, which I also dont like. no escape, no peel, people just dive on you and kill you while you desperately try to kite them with your passive. Really annoying.

So, twitch is cheap. Kog 'maw, graves and draven look really fun though, I dont know. Never played them t.t maybe you can help? Oo

Draven. Cuz stache' do you even need another reason?

Draven is an extreme case of win lane win game; he's very strong in lane, his ridiculous damage makes it very hard for opponent to trade favorably against him.


Yeah, whenever I see destiny play him I'm like "wtf dat dmg?"
I only played twice or so against him, the dot is really annoying. Hm but I guess he is one the hardest champions to play, mechanicallywise. Ah well. YOLO right?

bullshit, if youre not at top level draven is just faceroll to victory.
Chun-li since ST
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 05 2013 14:18 GMT
#1691
TF nearing 60% win rate : http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly

It's been a long time since a champ crossed that line ah ah ah
The legend of Darien lives on
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 14:29:45
May 05 2013 14:28 GMT
#1692
On May 05 2013 23:18 mr_tolkien wrote:
TF nearing 60% win rate : http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly

It's been a long time since a champ crossed that line ah ah ah

TF has 100% ban rate in OGN.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
May 05 2013 14:29 GMT
#1693
On May 05 2013 23:28 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:18 mr_tolkien wrote:
TF nearing 60% win rate : http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly

It's been a long time since a champ crossed that line ah ah ah

TF has 100% ban rate in OGN.


picked or banned to be precise
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adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
May 05 2013 14:48 GMT
#1694
tfs been op and banned most of the time at higher rating for a while now

its funny to me that whenever I play on smurfs at lower ratings people freak out about amumu or malphite but never ban tf
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 05 2013 14:50 GMT
#1695
On May 05 2013 23:48 adriftt wrote:
tfs been op and banned most of the time at higher rating for a while now

its funny to me that whenever I play on smurfs at lower ratings people freak out about amumu or malphite but never ban tf

His win ratio didn't spike this high for a very long time tbh. Rumble was 1st for almost 1 year.
The legend of Darien lives on
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 14:50:54
May 05 2013 14:50 GMT
#1696
On May 05 2013 23:18 mr_tolkien wrote:
TF nearing 60% win rate : http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly

It's been a long time since a champ crossed that line ah ah ah

they are gutted him pretty hard on pbe ;/
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 05 2013 14:51 GMT
#1697
This may sound kind of weird but I'm surprised Teemo isn't played top more based on how many lanes he outright wins, and with the strength of both nashors for AP builds, and bork for AD builds. I don't think he's that great of a champion, but there's a lot of people who will pick just to win the lane, and Teemo shits on so many top laners.
Hey! How you doin'?
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 05 2013 14:56 GMT
#1698
On May 05 2013 23:48 adriftt wrote:
tfs been op and banned most of the time at higher rating for a while now

its funny to me that whenever I play on smurfs at lower ratings people freak out about amumu or malphite but never ban tf



Because TF is really squishy, you can mess up on him easily and his ult isn't useful when you don't know how to use it. TF is not really scary at low elo.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 05 2013 15:19 GMT
#1699
Lulu W gives you SIXTY ap??? Jesus. Makes W usage on ally or enemy in a teamfight a lot more complicated...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 05 2013 15:20 GMT
#1700
On May 06 2013 00:19 Vanka wrote:
Lulu W gives you SIXTY ap??? Jesus. Makes W usage on ally or enemy in a teamfight a lot more complicated...


More complicated? You mean, use it on either and it's good.
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