EPTOn May 06 2013 06:31 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lmao capricious 2-1 best riven NA
lmao capricious 2-1 best riven NA
my boy is gonna win this whole thing
you heard it here first
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Atrioc
United States1866 Posts
my boy is gonna win this whole thing you heard it here first | ||
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Craton
United States17288 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 06 2013 07:54 Ketara wrote: I don't see how that has anything to do with my point. The League system should not put you in positions where it is encouraging you to lose games. That's my point. The problem is that you're even thinking about this in terms of league points at all. Everything that matters is in terms of MMR, period. League points are just a facade for that. Anything that raises your MMR is "good" for you, anything that drops your MMR is "bad". Any difference in how they affect your league points is meaningless because if they affect your league points differently but affect your MMR identically, things will change in the long run to reflect that anyway. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 06 2013 07:59 TheYango wrote: The problem is that you're even thinking about this in terms of league points at all. Everything that matters is in terms of MMR, period. League points are just a facade for that. Anything that raises your MMR is "good" for you, anything that drops your MMR is "bad". Any difference in how they affect your league points is meaningless because if they affect your league points differently but affect your MMR identically, things will change in the long run to reflect that anyway. I don't see how that has anything to do with my point. Losing MMR is an incentive to not lose the game, yes. I'm not talking about MMR at all. I'm talking about league points. I imagine one or two people that play the game care about their league points. Whether they SHOULD or not is a different topic. If what you're trying to say is that the league system is stupid and you shouldn't give a shit about it at all, I agree with you. But that is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. It's a system that exists, and currently can put you in a position where you lose more points within that system for a dodge than you do for a loss, and that's really dumb. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It SHOULD be more punishing to dodge than to lose. A loss is a loss, but in my mind, dodging is a kind of trying to game the system to avoid teams you don't like. It should be reprehensible to do so. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Pick one. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On May 06 2013 07:59 TheYango wrote: The problem is that you're even thinking about this in terms of league points at all. Everything that matters is in terms of MMR, period. League points are just a facade for that. Anything that raises your MMR is "good" for you, anything that drops your MMR is "bad". Any difference in how they affect your league points is meaningless because if they affect your league points differently but affect your MMR identically, things will change in the long run to reflect that anyway. Ya exactly this. Too many people get caught up in LP when it's entirely cosmetic. I regularly dodge games at least once a day when i run into someone I suspect to have a bad attitude, troll, or I don't get a role I feel like playing. The difference of the 10 LP loss for a dodge is always recovered as you approach your promotion series since your MMR is unchanged by a dodge. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:04 TheYango wrote: I don't see why that's bad, personally. It SHOULD be more punishing to dodge than to lose. Happy birfday Yango Well, I think more like have a penalty that increases if you dodge a lot within a certain period of time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:05 Ketara wrote: Okay, if that's your outlook then 99% of the rest of the time you lose more points for a loss than you do for a dodge, and THAT'S really dumb. Pick one. Then yes, I agree, you should always lose more LP for a dodge than for a loss. It's ridiculous that regular dodging even became a thing in the first place (thanks to Riot making dodges not lose Elo in S2). I don't even know if that's the case anymore (because Riot hasn't revealed the MMR formula, we don't know if dodges actually cause you to lose MMR), but the fact that people don't know means they're just going with the status quo from S2. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
As you play you accumulate a number of dodges, and if you use a dodge in ranked there's no penalty at all, you can just go right back to the queue. It's a legitimate thing that sometimes you run into a team in champ select that for whatever reason you just have no desire to play with. Riot has said they understand that, yet they still punish you for dodging. If they did it that way they could make an assessment of what percentage of the time they think people can be expected to legitimately dodge a game, and have you accumulate your available dodges at or a little higher than that rate. And then if you dodge a game past that by closing the client altogether, they could hit you with a real penalty then like a 1 hour queue timer or something. Edit: Also, I'm fairly positive that dodging does not affect your MMR. I tested this a couple of months ago by dodging about 10 games in a row and then winning one, and my LP went up way way more than it normally would. | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
On May 06 2013 07:56 Atrioc wrote: my boy is gonna win this whole thing you heard it here first GTFO, terrible player and worse human being. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:01 Ketara wrote: I don't see how that has anything to do with my point. Losing MMR is an incentive to not lose the game, yes. I'm not talking about MMR at all. I'm talking about league points. I imagine one or two people that play the game care about their league points. Whether they SHOULD or not is a different topic. If what you're trying to say is that the league system is stupid and you shouldn't give a shit about it at all, I agree with you. But that is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. It's a system that exists, and currently can put you in a position where you lose more points within that system for a dodge than you do for a loss, and that's really dumb. If you cared about league points then instead of dodging or trying to lose (which will be LP loss) you would then try to win the game (for LP win). You are talking about the edge case where you care about LP, but not enough to overcome some bias against your team/their team, which then it is favorable to lose than to dodge given a priori that you didn't want to play the game in the first place. This seems like a problem with the player than the system. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
You've never played a game where right from champ select you get 3 mids and everybody calling each other a faggot? I sure have. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:40 Chrispy wrote: So easy to get 20 stacks on Support Lux. The thing is with support Lux: 1. You're doing good, there's a fight, the enemy gets away and you laser them and just are like "hi". 2. You're doing alright, there's a fight, the enemy gets away and you laser them and they live with like 2 hp and just are like FUUUUUUUUU | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:22 NeoIllusions wrote: No pressure Cap. You're only representing TL here. npnp Cap hwaiting!!! | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On May 06 2013 06:22 Shikyo wrote: Oh and yay, Kerp in the LCS. Now I can fanboy him better. Thanks for the spoiler  | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On May 06 2013 08:32 Ketara wrote: That doesn't sound like an edge case to me at all. You've never played a game where right from champ select you get 3 mids and everybody calling each other a faggot? I sure have. I usually ask them what their second preferred role is and let them know I'll fill and then we win the game and I get honor. Pretty easy. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 06 2013 09:03 xes wrote: I usually ask them what their second preferred role is and let them know I'll fill and then we win the game and I get honor. Pretty easy. Because that works 100% of the time. Lot of trolls in TL today. | ||
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