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Baa?21243 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:15 Vanka wrote:
As a side note, the leashing dynamics on the chinese server are completely different.
The bot lane is always the bitch, and always gives a smiteless no matter the side you're on. You either help with wolves and then blue, or on blue side, you help do wraiths (I've started asking them for help for golems instead of wraiths though), and do a smiteless red leash. I haven't had a lane for a long time where I haven't missed the first one (or in a lot of cases two) creeps in bot lane because I'm helping to do smiteless.
Top and mid do wraiths or wolves, and top usually gets the gold/exp, so that they hit lvl 2 faster.
This is even to the extent that I've started red on junglers like amumu who I would start blue buff on NA if I'm blue side, because top lane rages if I don't give them their wolves camp lvl 1. I was pretty miffed at losing my blue side advantage bot lane for a while, but it's just the way the meta is here.
Bot lane is the bitch leasher cause Chinese games have a LOT more lane switching that try to give the adc/support lane the easiest lane possible so they don't really care that much about having to be a bit behind level 1.
That's my understanding at least
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:14 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 16:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Jungling has always been a sub conscience thing for me. I just follow 'the feels'. Never really been a big fan of over analyzing jungling theory. nk inc told me he does the same thing with all aspects of jungling, including smiting (and including ezreal phase shifting, smite-stealing dragons). going too in-depth on the numbers will fuck your game up, just play 4000 jungle games and get a feel for what to do at what time. be fluid and adaptable and know what every champ does and you'll be a good jungler
By the way, that Velocity AMA was awesome. So many times I see teams/pros start an "AMA" and all they do is say yes or no. It's annoying as fuck when people put forth good questions and the pro/team barely answers. Glad to see most of the team go to some degree of depth/effort.
Also. It was stupidly obvious who was from TL or not. The questions were so much better (and usually towards the bottom hahaha).
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On May 14 2013 20:07 NeoIllusions wrote:Pretty cool blog post by Link to talk about what CLG has been going through for the past three weeks. http://clglink.blogspot.com/
"There was no such thing as a bottom 4. It was literally TSM + the bottom 7." - Link 2013
The man speaks the truth. Great article though. Love hearing about the daily life/thoughts of a progamer.
"Aphromoo said "Pick me Blitz". Instawin."
This sounds so epic. Seems like an almost movie-esque moment.
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Great post, so informative :D Also, first time I read something from a CLG member that actually sounds literate, so that's a bonus.
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What blows my mind is that even with the prevalence of 2v1 lanes in the LCS, in the lower leagues of NA I still see a fair number of people first/second pick Vayne knowing they're walking into a 2v2 and it never seems to cross their mind to ask for a lane swap and ask top to pick their champion knowing they're walking into a 1v2. I'd much rather have to deal with being a turret down than a Vayne getting their face wrecked by a Cait/Sona lane and dying 5 times and being 100 farm behind.
Saying it was bottom 7 and TSM is ridiculous. TSM got hot when it mattered, partly from dumping Chaox and picking up Wild Turtle. If Dig or Curse kept their crap together for the last month, no one would ever make a comment like that. TSM went 2-2 against both Dig and Curse.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On May 14 2013 20:35 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Great post, so informative :D Also, first time I read something from a CLG member that actually sounds literate, so that's a bonus.
I meant to comment on that too. Link is a pretty good writer.
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On May 14 2013 20:45 zer0das wrote:
What blows my mind is that even with the prevalence of 2v1 lanes in the LCS, in the lower leagues of NA I still see a fair number of people first/second pick Vayne knowing they're walking into a 2v2 and it never seems to cross their mind to ask for a lane swap and ask top to pick their champion knowing they're walking into a 1v2. I'd much rather have to deal with being a turret down than a Vayne getting their face wrecked by a Cait/Sona lane and dying 5 times and being 100 farm behind.
Saying it was bottom 7 and TSM is ridiculous. TSM got hot when it mattered, partly from dumping Chaox and picking up Wild Turtle. If Dig or Curse kept their crap together for the last month, no one would ever make a comment like that. TSM went 2-2 against both Dig and Curse.
TSM's losses to CRS and DIG were largely(3/4 I think) early in the season when they had Chaox.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 14 2013 20:45 zer0das wrote:
What blows my mind is that even with the prevalence of 2v1 lanes in the LCS, in the lower leagues of NA I still see a fair number of people first/second pick Vayne knowing they're walking into a 2v2 and it never seems to cross their mind to ask for a lane swap and ask top to pick their champion knowing they're walking into a 1v2. I'd much rather have to deal with being a turret down than a Vayne getting their face wrecked by a Cait/Sona lane and dying 5 times and being 100 farm behind.
Saying it was bottom 7 and TSM is ridiculous. TSM got hot when it mattered, partly from dumping Chaox and picking up Wild Turtle. If Dig or Curse kept their crap together for the last month, no one would ever make a comment like that. TSM went 2-2 against both Dig and Curse.
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne.
On May 14 2013 16:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Jungling has always been a sub conscience thing for me. I just follow 'the feels'. Never really been a big fan of over analyzing jungling theory.
Once you start playing tournaments you will notice the difference between feeling and knowing. It's massive.
On May 14 2013 17:14 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 16:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Jungling has always been a sub conscience thing for me. I just follow 'the feels'. Never really been a big fan of over analyzing jungling theory. nk inc told me he does the same thing with all aspects of jungling, including smiting (and including ezreal phase shifting, smite-stealing dragons). going too in-depth on the numbers will fuck your game up, just play 4000 jungle games and get a feel for what to do at what time. be fluid and adaptable and know what every champ does and you'll be a good jungler
There is a big difference between movement on the map and smite stealing. One is hand-eye coordination muscle memory thing and the other one is a quite slow process in which you have the time to put in a conscious thought. I wouldn't equate those 2 things in any way. :3
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On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
Once you start playing tournaments you will notice the difference between feeling and knowing. It's massive.
funny, because thats what she said
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On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne.
Still better than having Vayne 2v2 in a super unfavorable lane imo (least in solo que). Also given the level of play I'm talking about, I sort of doubt people would even take advantage of that stuff because they've probably played against a lane swap like once or twice, if at all.
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On May 14 2013 21:17 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne. Still better than having Vayne 2v2 in a super unfavorable lane imo (least in solo que). Also given the level of play I'm talking about, I sort of doubt people would even take advantage of that stuff because they've probably played against a lane swap like once or twice, if at all.
It goes both ways though.Do you honestly think people can play a 1v2 and not die in solo q?
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On May 14 2013 21:19 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:17 zer0das wrote:On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne. Still better than having Vayne 2v2 in a super unfavorable lane imo (least in solo que). Also given the level of play I'm talking about, I sort of doubt people would even take advantage of that stuff because they've probably played against a lane swap like once or twice, if at all. It goes both ways though.Do you honestly think people can play a 1v2 and not die in solo q?
Well I trust myself to and that's all that matters from my perspective. 
I mean I get where the apprehension comes from... seems like most 1v2 lane swaps I encounter are initiated by the enemy team, and usually they fail horribly, but I would say it is generally not because of the solo laner dying (although that tends to be a problem). It has more to do with the team initiating the swap not knowing what they're actually trying to accomplish and flailing around and hoping something sticks.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On May 14 2013 21:17 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne. Still better than having Vayne 2v2 in a super unfavorable lane imo (least in solo que). Also given the level of play I'm talking about, I sort of doubt people would even take advantage of that stuff because they've probably played against a lane swap like once or twice, if at all.
Better not go Vayne at all if you can't 2v2 then. At least to me that sounds like a more logical conclusion. I'd almost say Vayne if a legit pick on solo lane more often than bottom, at least she counters some champs super hard there and is virtually ungankable.
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Shen taunt-flash combo, so good... so swag.
I pretty much do it everytime the opportunity comes up. Fail maybe 10% of the time but the other 90% it looks awesome.
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On May 14 2013 17:27 Capped wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is lane swapping becoming common in soloQ at higher ranks? Also going to leave this here:
Why are so many of those vids 10 times as long as they need to be? This one could have lasted 5s..
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Idk, ask my friend 
Sorry, i guess?
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On May 14 2013 21:21 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:19 nafta wrote:On May 14 2013 21:17 zer0das wrote:On May 14 2013 21:08 Scip wrote:
With a Vayne laneswap you lose probably more than just a tower, because if you don't kill the enemy tower you aren't going to have a good timing to go back to base and laneswap back, so you are in constant threat of dragon too. If you want a farmed hypercarry laneswap with Tristana or maybe even Kog but not Vayne. Still better than having Vayne 2v2 in a super unfavorable lane imo (least in solo que). Also given the level of play I'm talking about, I sort of doubt people would even take advantage of that stuff because they've probably played against a lane swap like once or twice, if at all. It goes both ways though.Do you honestly think people can play a 1v2 and not die in solo q? Well I trust myself to and that's all that matters from my perspective. I mean I get where the apprehension comes from... seems like most 1v2 lane swaps I encounter are initiated by the enemy team, and usually they fail horribly, but I would say it is generally not because of the solo laner dying (although that tends to be a problem). It has more to do with the team initiating the swap not knowing what they're actually trying to accomplish and flailing around and hoping something sticks.
Swapping for a 2vs1 involves 4 players knowing somewhat what they are doing. I have seen soooo many fails from teams initiating the swap that I wouldn't risk it either. 90% of those are vaynes and they usually feed first blood diving 1vs2 around level 4-5 (jungler is farming somewhere around wraiths). Then the solo lane over extend for a ranged minion up to the middle of the lane to lose 75% hp and is zoned hard, out of xp range for the rest of laning phase. People start the blame game and it gets messy as shit.
I'd rather hope the first picking Vayne is good enough to outplay 2vs2
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So I was playing Kog last night, and the enemy team had a Shaco who was splitpushing. I go bot to stop him and fire a Living Artillery that hits and deals damage, and the revealing eyes come up. But, he Qs immediately after the damage registers, and is no longer revealed (1 auto or 1 R would have killed him). Is that a bug or is that workinh as intended? I didn't think Shaco Q removed debuffs or status changes.
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On May 14 2013 22:27 Capped wrote:Idk, ask my friend Sorry, i guess?
Apologies accepted!
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On May 14 2013 22:31 upperbound wrote:
So I was playing Kog last night, and the enemy team had a Shaco who was splitpushing. I go bot to stop him and fire a Living Artillery that hits and deals damage, and the revealing eyes come up. But, he Qs immediately after the damage registers, and is no longer revealed (1 auto or 1 R would have killed him). Is that a bug or is that workinh as intended? I didn't think Shaco Q removed debuffs or status changes.
Kog's R doesn't reveal stealth. I don't think there's any cute wording that cues you into this, you just have to know that not all 'reveal' skills do it.
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