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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 25 2013 13:32 GMT
#3541
On April 25 2013 22:30 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 21:30 schmutttt wrote:
On April 25 2013 21:15 Caphe wrote:
Just notice a new trend of Twitch. Eveybody on Diamond/Challenger streaming how to get out of Elo Hell. Which I think is very useless to watch. First it was Boxbox, Zekent now WildTurtle and even Shake did earlier today.


I really don't get it.

'How to carry out of ELO hell'
1. Have a pros skill level
2. Go huge
3. ???
4. Gain ELO!

I don't believe in ELO hell at all but I think it is dumb that people with pro/semi pro skill level are showing it, of course you are going to stomp nubs and win pretty much every game.


It's possible some of the people doing this are legitimately trying to help but for most of them it's a great way to bring in stream viewers and a convenient excuse to smurf without reddit yelling at you for "ruining games."


Don't really see how just being 5 times better than everyone else helps the average viewer.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 25 2013 13:36 GMT
#3542
I'm just imagining the people from 0 elo trying to copy saint's jungle yi to try to carry themselves out just like saint did.

...it's hilarious.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 14:08:20
April 25 2013 14:02 GMT
#3543
On April 25 2013 22:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually....I can't stand watching this game. This is Silver IV supposedly? The Anivia's build is Liandry and BV. I was in Silver IV until 3-4 days ago...am I honestly and truly this bad at the game? Horribly depressing. Like...I'm actually shocked at watching this game how bad everyone is. I wish I could learn to see this kind of stuff when I'm actually IN a game. Fuck.


After watching that game, the Taric did okay but he made a lot of mistakes that compounded into his team doing extremely poorly overall. A lot of it was really stupid basic stuff too, like attacking into a massive wave of minions when they're already behind, coordinating poorly with his ADC (which generally led to him getting the kills not the MF), not using the actives on his items, going balls to the wall but the execution being extremely ugly resulting in outcomes much worse than they could have been, etc.

Are you actually this bad at the game? There's probably some glaring weakness in your game (the Anivia is silver 3 for reference). I've spent a lot of time in the lower regions of gold and I get matched up against silver 1/2s fairly frequently (often times they're a duo with someone). If I end up in a lane against them, I can almost always tell immediately if they're less skilled than me, I almost never lose lane against a silver. Even if I do lose, a lot of the time I can be more useful than them post laning anyway.

Mindblowing fact: the MF paired with the Taric was gold 5 (although a perpetual basement dweller, so who knows what their actual skill level is). I will say one of my biggest pet peeves is that for some reason even at the gold level, ADCs and junglers tend to be really retarded and engage into massive waves of minions and then blame everyone else when the minions kill someone. I'd expect that at the silver level, but I encounter it fairly routinely in gold, and I don't understand why. How hard is it to push the wave and then be aggressive? You'd be surprised...

That being said, I'm pretty much a middle of the road gold player, and the majority of the time, I feel like I'm absolutely terrible at this game and routinely do really stupid stuff. Although I see other players around my level do even larger volumes stupid stuff, I just realize my margin for error is a lot lower if I want to be good enough that my play is a deciding factor in winning the game.
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
April 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#3544
On April 25 2013 22:32 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:30 overt wrote:
On April 25 2013 21:30 schmutttt wrote:
On April 25 2013 21:15 Caphe wrote:
Just notice a new trend of Twitch. Eveybody on Diamond/Challenger streaming how to get out of Elo Hell. Which I think is very useless to watch. First it was Boxbox, Zekent now WildTurtle and even Shake did earlier today.


I really don't get it.

'How to carry out of ELO hell'
1. Have a pros skill level
2. Go huge
3. ???
4. Gain ELO!

I don't believe in ELO hell at all but I think it is dumb that people with pro/semi pro skill level are showing it, of course you are going to stomp nubs and win pretty much every game.


It's possible some of the people doing this are legitimately trying to help but for most of them it's a great way to bring in stream viewers and a convenient excuse to smurf without reddit yelling at you for "ruining games."


Don't really see how just being 5 times better than everyone else helps the average viewer.

Some streamer do give valid tutorials and tips when they do a smurf stompfest but the majority are just doing it for viewers
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 25 2013 14:48 GMT
#3545
The overall message is quite clear: if you want to get out of lowlevel playing quickly, cheese the fuck out of every game and abuse snowballing.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 25 2013 15:07 GMT
#3546
Most annoying champion to lane against, go.

Mine is def. Master Yi. I hate Master Yi.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 25 2013 15:08 GMT
#3547
"@TSMReginald: For every time I die in the LCS Play offs this weekend, I willl donate $100 dollars to the victims of the boston bombing =DD"

Pretty cool! As someone who was born in Boston, have family there, and a girlfriend who attends MIT - I support this!

Give Regi Karthus, he donates mad money AND TSM win.

Win win win!
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:31:04
April 25 2013 15:12 GMT
#3548
On April 26 2013 00:07 Ketara wrote:
Most annoying champion to lane against, go.

Mine is def. Master Yi. I hate Master Yi.


When I play against OR as Gragas - Always feed, never not feed.


Also. Teams from Asia are in:

In Korea, the roster is as follows: CJ Entus Blaze Ambition in Mid Lane, CJ Entus Frost Shy for Top Lane, KT Rolster B Insec for Jungle, NaJin Sword Pray for AD Carry, and CJ Entus Frost Madlife for Support. Madlife has the largest percent of votes for any role in any region, including North America and Europe, boasting the confidence of over 80% of Korean voters.

China is, as expected, basically World Elite, with all five players having more than 50% of the votes in each category. But with the all-star matches limiting teams to three representatives at most, two of them will have to cheer the rest on from the audience. The Chinese representatives will be World Elite's Misaya, Caomei and weixiao for Mid Lane, Top Lane and AD Carry respectively, with Invictus Gaming xiaoxiao and Positive Energy Jing rounding out the Support and Jungler roles.

Finally, it wouldn't be the All-Stars without the
Season 2 World Champions making an appearance, and true to form, they dominate the South-East Asia polls. Oddly, the current Azubu Taipei Assassins failed to fill the max three slots, with only Stanley and Toyz in Top and Mid Lane respectively. They do, however, have a reunion with former TPA captain and Support player MiSTakE, now playing for sibling team Azubu Taipei Snipers. Meanwhile, GPL rivals Singapore Sentinels will be sending AD Carry Chawy and Jjungler HaRleLuYar.


Source: na.lolesports.com/season3/split1/articles/meanwhile-asiaapril-25-2013

TLDR
Allstars for Asia:
Top
Mid
Jungle
AD
Support

Allstar Korea:
Shy
Ambition
Insec
Pray
Madlife

Allstar China:
Caomei
Misaya
Jing
Weixiao
Xiaoxiao

Allstar SEA:
Stanley
Toyz
HaRleLuYar
Chawy
MiSTakE
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 15:26:34
April 25 2013 15:25 GMT
#3549
On April 26 2013 00:07 Ketara wrote:
Most annoying champion to lane against, go.

Mine is def. Master Yi. I hate Master Yi.


Yi is a close second, but it's Teemo. Definitely Teemo.

@ above: WEIXIAOXIAOXIAO bessst.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
April 25 2013 15:26 GMT
#3550
On April 25 2013 23:48 Juicyfruit wrote:
The overall message is quite clear: if you want to get out of lowlevel playing quickly, cheese the fuck out of every game and abuse snowballing.


you can play anything and snowballing is something that everyone takes advantage of to win any game

people just cheese in low elo because its fun to do and it happens to work, while stomping with the same shit you do in solo queue is pretty boring
aka Teutonica
GreyWander
Profile Joined April 2013
21 Posts
April 25 2013 15:31 GMT
#3551
So when I play top lane I feel like I'm just in a 1v1 game until a jungler shows up. Should I just be farming or should I push the lane and run to mid and/or invade their jungle? It feels really boring to just last hit and not do anything until teamfights start.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 25 2013 15:34 GMT
#3552
On April 26 2013 00:31 GreyWander wrote:
So when I play top lane I feel like I'm just in a 1v1 game until a jungler shows up. Should I just be farming or should I push the lane and run to mid and/or invade their jungle? It feels really boring to just last hit and not do anything until teamfights start.


Top lane is sometimes called an island for a reason. If it's too boring, you should probably play a different position.
Shoving your lane and roaming is ok. But chances are if you shove, you get ganked. I wouldn't invade unless your own jungler initiates it and/or you have wards in their jungle.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 25 2013 15:40 GMT
#3553
On April 26 2013 00:08 JonGalt wrote:
"@TSMReginald: For every time I die in the LCS Play offs this weekend, I willl donate $100 dollars to the victims of the boston bombing =DD"

Pretty cool! As someone who was born in Boston, have family there, and a girlfriend who attends MIT - I support this!

Give Regi Karthus, he donates mad money AND TSM win.

Win win win!


And Marn is donating $50 for every one of Patoy's deaths. lolololol. Watch that totally backfire on him (and be great for charity).
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
April 25 2013 15:41 GMT
#3554
On April 26 2013 00:08 JonGalt wrote:
"@TSMReginald: For every time I die in the LCS Play offs this weekend, I willl donate $100 dollars to the victims of the boston bombing =DD"

Pretty cool! As someone who was born in Boston, have family there, and a girlfriend who attends MIT - I support this!

Give Regi Karthus, he donates mad money AND TSM win.

Win win win!

It seems a bit stupid and PR stunty to me though, since the victims will have plenty of support living in a 1st world country where the whole nation is behind them anyway. Send it somewhere where it will make a difference, like the earthquakes happening recently or to some 3rd world countries that really need it.
It's a nice gesture but still seems like an attention grab PR stunt.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 25 2013 15:43 GMT
#3555
Regi tf firstpick go

Also seems like sea indeed disnt et to use the tps players, i rate them as the weakest team now, even weaker than na yes
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 25 2013 15:47 GMT
#3556
On April 26 2013 00:41 TSBspartacus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 00:08 JonGalt wrote:
"@TSMReginald: For every time I die in the LCS Play offs this weekend, I willl donate $100 dollars to the victims of the boston bombing =DD"

Pretty cool! As someone who was born in Boston, have family there, and a girlfriend who attends MIT - I support this!

Give Regi Karthus, he donates mad money AND TSM win.

Win win win!

It seems a bit stupid and PR stunty to me though, since the victims will have plenty of support living in a 1st world country where the whole nation is behind them anyway. Send it somewhere where it will make a difference, like the earthquakes happening recently or to some 3rd world countries that really need it.
It's a nice gesture but still seems like an attention grab PR stunt.


Even in a first world country, people still need money to recover from injury, trauma, and everything like that. Just because the U.S. is one of the most well-off places in the world doesn't mean those affected don't also need help.

It's a good thing to do, and I hope and pray that he altruism outweighs whatever "popularity benefit" he may get from doing it. Besides, he's not going to be looking to die in the All-Stars.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
April 25 2013 15:52 GMT
#3557
On April 26 2013 00:31 GreyWander wrote:
So when I play top lane I feel like I'm just in a 1v1 game until a jungler shows up. Should I just be farming or should I push the lane and run to mid and/or invade their jungle? It feels really boring to just last hit and not do anything until teamfights start.


Why not try, I don't know, killing the other dude?
aka Teutonica
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 25 2013 15:57 GMT
#3558
GG WeixiaoXiaoxiao. Best bot lane name ever.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
GreyWander
Profile Joined April 2013
21 Posts
April 25 2013 15:57 GMT
#3559
On April 26 2013 00:52 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 00:31 GreyWander wrote:
So when I play top lane I feel like I'm just in a 1v1 game until a jungler shows up. Should I just be farming or should I push the lane and run to mid and/or invade their jungle? It feels really boring to just last hit and not do anything until teamfights start.


Why not try, I don't know, killing the other dude?

I usually play Gangplank, Warwick, or Volibear, turns out there are a lot of lanes that they have little kill potential in

Should I just play champions like Lee where I can just go out on someone?
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 25 2013 16:08 GMT
#3560
On April 26 2013 00:57 GreyWander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 00:52 Slayer91 wrote:
On April 26 2013 00:31 GreyWander wrote:
So when I play top lane I feel like I'm just in a 1v1 game until a jungler shows up. Should I just be farming or should I push the lane and run to mid and/or invade their jungle? It feels really boring to just last hit and not do anything until teamfights start.


Why not try, I don't know, killing the other dude?

I usually play Gangplank, Warwick, or Volibear, turns out there are a lot of lanes that they have little kill potential in

Should I just play champions like Lee where I can just go out on someone?


willfully choosing three of the most passive top laners and complaining about boredom seems pretty intuitive to me too
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