On April 09 2013 16:36 clickrush wrote: yes exactly but that isnt inherently a bad playstile. I just watched a clg vs crs scrim game last night and he firstpicked shen while voy took jayce after that. HS got about 15+ cs behind entering the midgame but he and chau did a smart bait kill on voy. Voy obviously couldnt keep up with hsggs mobility and teamfight presence during the mid-late. and supported his strong bottom and midlanes with ults.
It's not a bad playstyle when it comes down to it, but it IS a bad attitude to have toward the game.
It is fine to accept the reality that you aren't that good in real games and play/draft around that fact. It is NOT fine to be ok with that when you are practicing. Your goal in practice should be to improve at every aspect of the game. Not become complacent over one aspect of the game because "it's not important for my playstyle".
Hear, hear. CLG has a unique playstyle, it fits them, but most importantly, they can and have won with it before. If there's ever criticism about Hotshot, it's not a playstyle issue. You accept that with the player.
You cannot blame a guy for adapting to his situation.
HotshotGG, along with Reginald must have had the most financial success out of any player involved in the League of Legends scene. HotshotGG cares about the prestige of his team, his fanbase, and obviously his overall reputation as a player. He will do everything in his power to keep his name up, and being a quality player is obviously important to keep his lucrative career going.
However, that drive simply does not compare with dozens upon dozens of players right now just dying to prove that they are in every single conceivable way superior to the likes of Maknoon, in terms of individual skills. Not all of them will make it, despite the blood, sweat, and tears poured into their burning passion. Only the luckiest, most skillful, and respected players will make it, and once these players are recruited into an existing elite team with a vacancy for a single position, it won't take long for these players to develope good team co-ordination with their teams.
What will HotshotGG do then? What will he have over these players? A vastly more successful bank account, and in the end, that's the biggest motivator of all. Skills mean nothing without recognition and reward for the said skills. HotshotGG will continue to perform to what he perceives as an acceptable level so that his income doesn't dry up, and that motivation simply won't match the drive of the other players wanting to take that number one spot. The structure of e-Sports in the west allows players to succeed without being the absolute best, and you cannot blame HotshotGG for taking advantage of that. He is the most successful e-Sports figure in North America along with Reginald.
On April 09 2013 17:52 Letmelose wrote: He is the most successful e-Sports figure in North America along with Reginald.
You're confusing E-Sports with LoL E-Sports. There's actually other games and more successful E-Sports figures.
Sorry for the confusion caused, I meant within the realm of League of Legends.
This constant issue of whether HotshotGG, or anybody that shares his mindset, is trying hard enough (or whether he has the talent to be rewarded if he were to apply himself that way) was concluded a long time ago in my opinon. All this indulgence on the discussion of lack of good practice partners, communication problems, is detracting from the main focus here.
I can't word things any better than Locodoco did several months ago.
HotshotGG is better than almost any other player on the planet (within the LoL scene, of course) in terms of making money from this game, and that's completely okay, but he needs to stop pretend that he is somehow handicapped, or unfairly represented when it comes to his ability to actually winning games. Of course he is trying, but there are others trying harder.
I thought the interview was solid and his explanations actually make a lot of sense. I think people are failing by working from the premise that CLG has to be a top team and if they're not there's a problem. The NA teams could put a lot more work in, but they don't want to. They are achieving what they really want to achieve right now, despite what they say they want to achieve. They don't have the drive to be as good as Koreans, and I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that. It's a choice. The problems CLG are stating they have communication-wise are mainly a lack of discipline. I think the major reason a strict practice schedule is valuable is mainly just for the discipline it produces and with that discipline comes a respect for chain of command and planning. I think the other problem is that it seems like they play solo queue without a defined goal. If you formally define something you want to work on before you play ANY game, there can be value had from that. It's like going to the gym when you know you need to. You either do it or you don't. It's a choice, and it's not something that you have to spend a whole lot of time analyzing as an outsider to understand.
On April 09 2013 08:29 Shikyo wrote: The problem with this interview is that it reeks of "good enough" without any sort of drive to improve. Yes, he was honest, but that's what in my opinion makes it even worse. It's sort of a loser's attitude that he has.
Hotshot's lasthitting really isn't that great considering that strategy and actually I've seen him straight up lose plenty of lanes.
Also, teamplay and communication and such really aren't that difficult, and not specific to this game. You just need to follow orders unconditionally. In essence it's very simple. I'm thinking a reason Gambit does it so well is because military service is mandatory in Russia and hence they're going to know how to just follow orders without thinking too much. For everyone but the leader this is the way to go and isn't really difficult at all, though going through military basic training might help. HSGG's attitude probably won't allow it though. A coach also would be good for objective analysis, I'm not sure what CLGs situation there is.
I watched CLG scrim crs last night. They're trying to make chauster the unconditional shotcaller of their team but hoooly shit do their old habits come back when tense situations pop up in game. That said, it seems they are actively trying to emulate the eastern teams by having a single shot-caller, so I have hope that they will be a better coordinated team in the future, but man do old habits die hard.
On April 09 2013 08:29 Shikyo wrote: The problem with this interview is that it reeks of "good enough" without any sort of drive to improve. Yes, he was honest, but that's what in my opinion makes it even worse. It's sort of a loser's attitude that he has.
Hotshot's lasthitting really isn't that great considering that strategy and actually I've seen him straight up lose plenty of lanes.
Also, teamplay and communication and such really aren't that difficult, and not specific to this game. You just need to follow orders unconditionally. In essence it's very simple. I'm thinking a reason Gambit does it so well is because military service is mandatory in Russia and hence they're going to know how to just follow orders without thinking too much. For everyone but the leader this is the way to go and isn't really difficult at all, though going through military basic training might help. HSGG's attitude probably won't allow it though. A coach also would be good for objective analysis, I'm not sure what CLGs situation there is.
I watched CLG scrim crs last night. They're trying to make chauster the unconditional shotcaller of their team but hoooly shit do their old habits come back when tense situations pop up in game. That said, it seems they are actively trying to emulate the eastern teams by having a single shot-caller, so I have hope that they will be a better coordinated team in the future, but man do old habits die hard.
They said that they've done it this game against Dig, and it really showed. Obviously there were other factors involved such as Crumbzz not being able to play, but I think we can all agree that we've seen a different CLG tonight.
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