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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:41 sylverfyre wrote: This, unless you're like... Varus? Maybe? MF has... nonzero AP ratios? IDK. QSS 99% Of the time. QSS builds into mercurial Zhonyas arguably has more utility as it can completely nullifies stuff like Karthus Ult, can dodge stuff like Blitzcrank grabs. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:06 Cloud9157 wrote: Problem is I don't see how people don't just invade Fiddlesticks and take his blue. Hell, even if he gets blue, just camp his red buff and wait for him. Then just murder him because he dies in like 2 hits anyway. Wukong's laning is so meh. Then again, he is literally the equivalent to Akali. You can shut him down all you want, but once he gets BC/BT, his team fight is terrifying, much like Akali gets her first item and murders people. Most fiddles I see are support fiddle. Fiddle does tons of damage with ult+drain without any items and he has a shitton of cc to boot. On April 07 2013 13:06 Dusty wrote: QSS builds into mercurial Zhonyas arguably has more utility as it can completely nullifies stuff like Karthus Ult, can dodge stuff like Blitzcrank grabs. The issue isn't what has more utility. The issue is that if you buy a Zhonyas on an AD carry you're throwing away 2.4k worth of gold on a stat that is next to worthless. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote: Most fiddles I see are support fiddle. Fiddle does tons of damage with ult+drain without any items and he has a shitton of cc to boot. The issue isn't what has more utility. The issue is that if you buy a Zhonyas on an AD carry you're throwing away 2.4k worth of gold on a stat that is next to worthless. God help you if you're facing a lane fiddle. He just clears the wave, ulting people when he needs kills, and has 20-50% more damage than jungle fiddle. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:06 Dusty wrote: QSS builds into mercurial Zhonyas arguably has more utility as it can completely nullifies stuff like Karthus Ult, can dodge stuff like Blitzcrank grabs. Zhonya's also leaves you standing still for 2 seconds, giving the enemy team time to collapse on you. If that is the argument for Zhonya's on ADs, I'll take GA over it. At least if you get pulled in, your team would have time to try and get in the fight to help you when you get back up. Plus GA trolls Karth ult so hard. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote: Most fiddles I see are support fiddle. Fiddle does tons of damage with ult+drain without any items and he has a shitton of cc to boot. The issue isn't what has more utility. The issue is that if you buy a Zhonyas on an AD carry you're throwing away 2.4k worth of gold on a stat that is next to worthless. That 2.4k gold for the active can be more than worth it depending on the game. Sure, you shouldn't be getting it every single game but to dismiss it because it has 2.4k gold of bloated stats for an AD carry? Come on, it's an option, at the very least. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote: Most fiddles I see are support fiddle. Fiddle does tons of damage with ult+drain without any items and he has a shitton of cc to boot. The issue isn't what has more utility. The issue is that if you buy a Zhonyas on an AD carry you're throwing away 2.4k worth of gold on a stat that is next to worthless. It's one item for survivability. In many cases a QSS isn't going to let you live against a Zed or a Khazix. Warmogs might. In the cases Warmogs doesn't, how is Zhonyas worse even if you "waste" 2400 gold worth of AP? The active isn't worth just 100 gold or whatever your calculations make it out to be. The active can be the thing that keeps you alive when no other item would(apart from GA?). GA indeed is worse than Zhonyas in the case their whole team dives you and you can do nothing about it. How does Cass ult vs Kat ult work? Does she "spin" during it so that your ult only has 50% chance to stun, or does it check if you're facing her / facing away from her for a large enough window that it will register the stun either way? Or does Kat just face the same direction that she did when she started the ult and it's all just an animation? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The only argument you might have for Zhonya's is that it gets the job in 1 slot rather than 2, but that is negated by the fact that QSS builds into a BF Sword item. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
No it's not negated by that fact, why do you think Warmogs is the most popular survivability item despite it building into no damage? | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:39 Shikyo wrote: No it's not negated by that fact, why do you think Warmogs is the most popular survivability item despite it building into no damage? Because it's cost-effective. Zhonya's isn't if you're not using the AP. The slot-efficiency point is that QSS takes the endgame slot of half an offensive item or better because it builds into something that provides offensive stats. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
First of all, you can't get it unless it's already deep in late game; To build Zhonya's, you need to invest so much gold in AP which you don't need, so it's not possible to get it before late late game. And if you are in the late game (particularly teamfight) situation, you are better off relying on your team to get Zed away from you. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
How does Cass ult vs Kat ult work? Does she "spin" during it so that your ult only has 50% chance to stun, or does it check if you're facing her / facing away from her for a large enough window that it will register the stun either way? Or does Kat just face the same direction that she did when she started the ult and it's all just an animation? I normally hate Kat players, but when they know how to avoid Cass stun, that is commendable. Pretty sure it works by you doing q+e+w on her, then you face away and ult. | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
AP Kog is real, and its not actually bad. I'm bad, but I play with friends who aren't and I keep up with them (actually, surpassing them in my AP Kog game). Also, I have to say playing AP Kog is one of the most fun things to possibly do in LoL, just like playing Karthus or any other spammable hero with a Archangels Staff ROA Armguard building to deathcap. Playing AP Kog reminds me of why I played LoL in the first place, and its worth coming back, even if I only play Renekton and Kog in those games :D | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:14 Cloud9157 wrote: I normally hate Kat players, but when they know how to avoid Cass stun, that is commendable. Pretty sure it works by you doing q+e+w on her, then you face away and ult. Yep. When you E someone as Kat, you automatically face your target (because you will try to auto). | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:16 Dusty wrote: That 2.4k gold for the active can be more than worth it depending on the game. Sure, you shouldn't be getting it every single game but to dismiss it because it has 2.4k gold of bloated stats for an AD carry? Come on, it's an option, at the very least. Do you also rush thornmail first on rammus, cause rammus? | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:18 Bwaaaa wrote: So what is the verdict on rumble's reworked ult? Nerf or Buff? Always thought the flamespitter was the problem, so meh. Honestly the ult change makes Rylai's+Liandry's Rumble even more ridiculous. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On April 07 2013 13:06 Cloud9157 wrote: Problem is I don't see how people don't just invade Fiddlesticks and take his blue. Hell, even if he gets blue, just camp his red buff and wait for him. Then just murder him because he dies in like 2 hits anyway. Wukong's laning is so meh. Then again, he is literally the equivalent to Akali. You can shut him down all you want, but once he gets BC/BT, his team fight is terrifying, much like Akali gets her first item and murders people. If you don't have a fair amount of hard CC, fiddle contributes a shitton to a level 1 fight with Drain. He's not THAT super easy to invade. | ||
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