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On February 16 2013 19:38 zer0das wrote:
I don't understand the "it's hard to carry as support" stuff people are talking about. Getting your ADC an advantage is nice and all, but your job doesn't end there. If you have an advantage as a support, you should be buying a crapton of wards and putting them in the enemy jungle (when you know its safe). Enemy jungler going for a buff? Get your team to converge on him and jack him up. Suddenly the enemy jungler doesn't feel like he can push objectives or even be in his jungle and be safe, because he knows its warded to hell and back and he's already behind and his bot lane is too.
Boom, game is mostly sealed at this point provided no one derps. The more ward coverage you have, the less likely anyone on your team does something stupid.
Point is, very few people understand you support the TEAM, not the AD.
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On February 16 2013 19:43 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 19:38 zer0das wrote:
I don't understand the "it's hard to carry as support" stuff people are talking about. Getting your ADC an advantage is nice and all, but your job doesn't end there. If you have an advantage as a support, you should be buying a crapton of wards and putting them in the enemy jungle (when you know its safe). Enemy jungler going for a buff? Get your team to converge on him and jack him up. Suddenly the enemy jungler doesn't feel like he can push objectives or even be in his jungle and be safe, because he knows its warded to hell and back and he's already behind and his bot lane is too.
Boom, game is mostly sealed at this point provided no one derps. The more ward coverage you have, the less likely anyone on your team does something stupid. Point is, very few people understand you support the TEAM, not the AD.
And very few people understand that if you see the enemy jungler going for a buff and it's warded you should go and kill him instead of just farming in lane.
At least at my elo anyway 
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On February 16 2013 19:43 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 19:38 zer0das wrote:
I don't understand the "it's hard to carry as support" stuff people are talking about. Getting your ADC an advantage is nice and all, but your job doesn't end there. If you have an advantage as a support, you should be buying a crapton of wards and putting them in the enemy jungle (when you know its safe). Enemy jungler going for a buff? Get your team to converge on him and jack him up. Suddenly the enemy jungler doesn't feel like he can push objectives or even be in his jungle and be safe, because he knows its warded to hell and back and he's already behind and his bot lane is too.
Boom, game is mostly sealed at this point provided no one derps. The more ward coverage you have, the less likely anyone on your team does something stupid. Point is, very few people understand you support the TEAM, not the AD.
Even less people understand that players don't have to follow your calls even if they are amazing.They probably won't either.
Support is support.You can create plays but your carries have to close em out.
How is it not hard to carry as support?If you have amazing mechanics and play say mid lane you can win it,ward and be a monster and carry everyone.If you are support and your ad has no clue how to play you will not get the necessary gold to ward everything AND you will not be able to just go ward their jungle.Even thinking that it isn't close to impossible to carry as support is delusional.
I can use myself as an example.Support is my best role by far.Yet I almost never could win A game.Like I make the other bot lane back by myself and my ad still loses in cs when I zone both of them.Then I started maining ad and I started winning A LOT more.It's not a coincidence.
Also something REALLY important.Who do you think is more likely to actually get followed after they make a call:a support player doing decently or a 5/0 carry?
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Agreed with nafta, while as a support you can set pretty much everything up by warding right, controlling right, harrassing right on the lane, there still have to be people to actually close it out. If you ward the shit out of the map but people still stick around their turret when a 4man gank is comming, or if people refuse to team up etc etc, there's simply very little you can do. You can have a huge impact as a support, but I feel that as (for example) a mid it's a lot easyer to dominate your lane, ward and go rip up their jungle/bot/top. There's a lot more room for you to carry the game by yourself without needing others to close out too many plays.
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On February 16 2013 20:32 Promises wrote:
Agreed with nafta, while as a support you can set pretty much everything up by warding right, controlling right, harrassing right on the lane, there still have to be people to actually close it out. If you ward the shit out of the map but people still stick around their turret when a 4man gank is comming, or if people refuse to team up etc etc, there's simply very little you can do. You can have a huge impact as a support, but I feel that as (for example) a mid it's a lot easyer to dominate your lane, ward and go rip up their jungle/bot/top. There's a lot more room for you to carry the game by yourself without needing others to close out too many plays.
Stop playing pussy women and start playing Leona + Blitz
I'm serious. I've won many games by myself by hooking their AD/AP carry, and leona is pretty much THE support to carry games with. You win lane by smashing your opponents and then you start fights with your ridiculously long range ulti.
I pretty much carried myself with Blitz to diamond. Whenever I thought that I absolutely had to win a game, I would pick him.
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How does the pick order in loby works ? I had a game with a guy who was 1st pick, I was 2nd, someone dodged and next game same guy, I'm first, he's 2nd..
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On February 16 2013 20:39 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 20:32 Promises wrote:
Agreed with nafta, while as a support you can set pretty much everything up by warding right, controlling right, harrassing right on the lane, there still have to be people to actually close it out. If you ward the shit out of the map but people still stick around their turret when a 4man gank is comming, or if people refuse to team up etc etc, there's simply very little you can do. You can have a huge impact as a support, but I feel that as (for example) a mid it's a lot easyer to dominate your lane, ward and go rip up their jungle/bot/top. There's a lot more room for you to carry the game by yourself without needing others to close out too many plays. Stop playing pussy women and start playing Leona + Blitz I'm serious. I've won many games by myself by hooking their AD/AP carry, and leona is pretty much THE support to carry games with. You win lane by smashing your opponents and then you start fights with your ridiculously long range ulti.
Well exactly what I said.You can create the plays but what if you team don't follow fast enough which is often the case?
Not even gonna start talking about how easy it is to beat both those champs in lane.
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On February 16 2013 20:44 Lylat wrote:
How does the pick order in loby works ? I had a game with a guy who was 1st pick, I was 2nd, someone dodged and next game same guy, I'm first, he's 2nd..
What mode?
Everyone follows up a hook (duh) and from my experience, everyone follows up a Leona ult as well. Maybe I just play with better people than you, but in my eyes, it's not very hard to win games as those 2. If you lose lane with Leona then you need to get better at Leona.
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On February 16 2013 20:48 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 20:44 Lylat wrote:
How does the pick order in loby works ? I had a game with a guy who was 1st pick, I was 2nd, someone dodged and next game same guy, I'm first, he's 2nd.. What mode? Everyone follows up a hook (duh) and from my experience, everyone follows up a Leona ult as well. Maybe I just play with better people than you, but in my eyes, it's not very hard to win games as those 2. If you lose lane with Leona then you need to get better at Leona.
It was ranked
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On February 16 2013 20:48 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 20:44 Lylat wrote:
How does the pick order in loby works ? I had a game with a guy who was 1st pick, I was 2nd, someone dodged and next game same guy, I'm first, he's 2nd.. What mode? Everyone follows up a hook (duh) and from my experience, everyone follows up a Leona ult as well. Maybe I just play with better people than you, but in my eyes, it's not very hard to win games as those 2. If you lose lane with Leona then you need to get better at Leona.
Well most of the games I am talking about are in ~plat 1/2 as supp.Skill level in solo q is pretty random so might be dunno  .In general it's very easy to outplay leona/blitz in lane.Like I am not saying it's completely impossible to carry as a supp but if you are a good player you have the potential to carry a lot more with other roles than with a supp.
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dem Taric nerfs o_o
I wonder if the mana buffs will end up compensating for his passive, as his heal is still super expensive and he has no mana sustain on PBE now.
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On February 16 2013 21:30 Alaric wrote:dem Taric nerfs o_o I wonder if the mana buffs will end up compensating for his passive, as his heal is still super expensive and he has no mana sustain on PBE now.
Nerfs? They lowered his base AD and removed the mana regen from his autos but added extra damage, couple that with the lowered mana costs on dazzle and shatter and it feels like a buff to me. Oh well, even if it's not a buff and turns out to be a nerf there's no way it can be a significant one. To gain enough mana for taric to cast abilities he had to auto attack over a dozen times if memory serves anyway.
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Also armour moving from flat 10-30 to 10% of Taric's armour. You're more looking at 6-18 or something, and only as you buy items (on a support, hue) rather than gaining levels now. That's big.
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Hecarim getting buffs. O_o
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On February 16 2013 22:19 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Hecarim getting buffs. O_o
Wat.Pretty sure it's a nerf  .
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On February 16 2013 20:44 Lylat wrote:
How does the pick order in loby works ? I had a game with a guy who was 1st pick, I was 2nd, someone dodged and next game same guy, I'm first, he's 2nd..
It can happen if MMR of both of you is the same number. If the number is same, the pick order is random.
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How can they justify buffing kayle?...
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On February 16 2013 22:38 ArchAngelSC wrote:
How can they justify buffing kayle?...
Actually they didn't really "buff" kayle since her q doesn't bonus damage on the next auto attacks, but apply "Holy Fervor". I guess the buff on the snare is made to balance the nerf ?
Buffing akali is the most idiotic move.
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Well, before Kayle's Q slow had duration of 4 seconds, not just 3.
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I kinda like what they are doing with taric. Trying to make him scale off attack speed/armour/mana which was always what the champ was pointing towards - healing to make up for lack of hp items and attack speed to scale with his w pen and ult ad. Right now you can just stack hp and some cdr and be a total beast against all damage but now that his w is massively worse if you aren't stacking armour (and max mana was always good on him because his heal costs so much mana but usually better just to get support items or more hp) you probably want him against heavy ad teams only now and you can do crazy shit like frozen heart nashors or frozen fist nashors for the lols.
against most teams ppl will prolly start picking either sona or leona instead in general cases.
sonas auras are even better and she does more damage and has a great ult, she just doesnt heal as much later and isn't sa tanky.
On February 16 2013 21:30 Alaric wrote:dem Taric nerfs o_o I wonder if the mana buffs will end up compensating for his passive, as his heal is still super expensive and he has no mana sustain on PBE now.
His passive gave mana for 3-4 a hit and you didn't hit that much in lane anyway and it teamfights maybe it was 10 mana per hit but still really small. Easily compensated by reducing mana costs on w and e.
My max Q heal style is even better now that W is more of a 1 point wonder unless you are getting the debuff off consistenly and it's useful enough to justify skipping like 200 each heal lol.
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