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On February 16 2013 17:22 OutlaW- wrote:
Wait, so you're saying because you've never seen him play other roles that he can't be good? I'm afraid you cannot reach a higher level than perfection, and he's been playing perfectly every game. He might not be as good as Madlife, but his dominance over his competition is the same (NA competition is considerably lower, though)
What I'm saying, is I haven't seen him do something extraordinary that would suggest he's more than a standard support player with good mechanics.
Also, generally speaking if you talk about dominance of a player, its in comparison to his peers in his role.
I think you might just be overhyping Patoy as well. Qtpie is a pretty dominant reason as to patoy's success imo.
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On February 16 2013 17:24 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:22 OutlaW- wrote:
Wait, so you're saying because you've never seen him play other roles that he can't be good? I'm afraid you cannot reach a higher level than perfection, and he's been playing perfectly every game. He might not be as good as Madlife, but his dominance over his competition is the same (NA competition is considerably lower, though) What I'm saying, is I haven't seen him do something extraordinary that would suggest he's more than a standard support player with good mechanics. Also, generally speaking if you talk about dominance of a player, its in comparison to his peers in his role. I think you might just be overhyping Patoy as well. Qtpie is a pretty dominant reason as to patoy's success imo.
All I know is Patoy makes Qtpie really angry in a lot of plays. Though it is true that he's improved recently, saying he's the best player in NA, or even the best support, is stretching it.
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Yeah, that's what I figured. Qtpie is easily #2 AD in NA, and comparable to international heavy hitters in the ADC role; so it's not surprising when Patoy gets really nice stats off of his back.
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On February 16 2013 17:24 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:22 OutlaW- wrote:
Wait, so you're saying because you've never seen him play other roles that he can't be good? I'm afraid you cannot reach a higher level than perfection, and he's been playing perfectly every game. He might not be as good as Madlife, but his dominance over his competition is the same (NA competition is considerably lower, though) What I'm saying, is I haven't seen him do something extraordinary that would suggest he's more than a standard support player with good mechanics. Also, generally speaking if you talk about dominance of a player, its in comparison to his peers in his role. I think you might just be overhyping Patoy as well. Qtpie is a pretty dominant reason as to patoy's success imo.
I'm not talking about numbers or success. I'm talking purely about his play. He creates so many good plays and never dies, unless it's like 1 for 3/4/5, which is what you're supposed to do as the support. I only judge people by their play. Qtpie is good (and incidentally my favorite player) but patoy is God.
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lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife.
On February 16 2013 17:48 IMoperator wrote:
Idk how you're ever supposed to rank up in solo queue. This game is way too team reliant to actually get higher on the ladder. In SC2, you can tell if you're improving if you win more games vs. people and if your macro is good etc. etc. but on league I have no idea if I'm doing well or not, because if my kassadin goes 0/4 in lane and feeds wtf am I supposed to do? I have no idea what to do in ranked lol.
Get fed. Carry team. Remember LoL is all about you only have 4 slots to be filled with potential fucktards. The enemy team has 5 slots to be filled with potential fucktard. You're the difference between your team, and the enemy team.
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Idk how you're ever supposed to rank up in solo queue. This game is way too team reliant to actually get higher on the ladder. In SC2, you can tell if you're improving if you win more games vs. people and if your macro is good etc. etc. but on league I have no idea if I'm doing well or not, because if my kassadin goes 0/4 in lane and feeds wtf am I supposed to do? I have no idea what to do in ranked lol.
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On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:
lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife.
I think I fully realize how terrible the NA scene is, but I've seen patoy play perfectly for 4 games now. Chauster hasn't played support in too long, I don't even remember his play anymore. I know he used to be good, but if he doesn't play it anymore then it's not relevant.
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On February 16 2013 17:50 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:
lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife. I think I fully realize how terrible the NA scene is, but I've seen patoy play perfectly for 4 games now. Chauster hasn't played support in too long, I don't even remember his play anymore. I know he used to be good, but if he doesn't play it anymore then it's not relevant.
If you're actually considering Patoy to be God then yes, the NA scene is terrible.
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On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife. Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:48 IMoperator wrote:
Idk how you're ever supposed to rank up in solo queue. This game is way too team reliant to actually get higher on the ladder. In SC2, you can tell if you're improving if you win more games vs. people and if your macro is good etc. etc. but on league I have no idea if I'm doing well or not, because if my kassadin goes 0/4 in lane and feeds wtf am I supposed to do? I have no idea what to do in ranked lol. Get fed. Carry team. Remember LoL is all about you only have 4 slots to be filled with potential fucktards. The enemy team has 5 slots to be filled with potential fucktard. You're the difference between your team, and the enemy team.
What if I'm stuck support or something?
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I just played CHAMPION X. He seems so strong, how come nobody ever plays him? I went 3-0 in lane vs GANGPLANK/RYZE/VAYNE/NASUS and then built SHITTY ITEMS and carried the game. Does anyone want to confirm my opinion?
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carry on support, bait favorable trades
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On February 16 2013 17:50 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:
lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife. I think I fully realize how terrible the NA scene is, but I've seen patoy play perfectly for 4 games now. Chauster hasn't played support in too long, I don't even remember his play anymore. I know he used to be good, but if he doesn't play it anymore then it's not relevant.
"chauster... no relevant" Whoa, HERETIC. BURN HIM AT THE STAKE.
Imo Patoy decent at roaming plays, but how hard is it to land W-Q alistar combo? Anyone can do that. His mechanical execution is fairly spot on. But I don't see him do anything out of the typical roaming plays that suggest, "zomg dis guy so gud" His actual lane presence in 2v2 lanes is still lacking; also a lot of his plays are fucking risky as hell; I rarely see safe trades from him. The key to top-tier supports are usually their ability to force trades in lane that just create massive amounts of lane pain, and forces them out of lane. Patoy, decent at doing all-in plays, but nothing to suggest he truly understands mini-trades in lane.
On February 16 2013 17:52 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife. On February 16 2013 17:48 IMoperator wrote:
Idk how you're ever supposed to rank up in solo queue. This game is way too team reliant to actually get higher on the ladder. In SC2, you can tell if you're improving if you win more games vs. people and if your macro is good etc. etc. but on league I have no idea if I'm doing well or not, because if my kassadin goes 0/4 in lane and feeds wtf am I supposed to do? I have no idea what to do in ranked lol. Get fed. Carry team. Remember LoL is all about you only have 4 slots to be filled with potential fucktards. The enemy team has 5 slots to be filled with potential fucktard. You're the difference between your team, and the enemy team. What if I'm stuck support or something?
Doesn't matter, you're the difference between the enemy team, and your own team. Even if you're stuck with support. Sure the impact you have on the game is going to be less than if you were to play a carry like role; but same logic still stands. You only have to rely on 4 fucktards on your team. They have 5.
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On February 16 2013 17:41 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:24 wei2coolman wrote:On February 16 2013 17:22 OutlaW- wrote:
Wait, so you're saying because you've never seen him play other roles that he can't be good? I'm afraid you cannot reach a higher level than perfection, and he's been playing perfectly every game. He might not be as good as Madlife, but his dominance over his competition is the same (NA competition is considerably lower, though) What I'm saying, is I haven't seen him do something extraordinary that would suggest he's more than a standard support player with good mechanics. Also, generally speaking if you talk about dominance of a player, its in comparison to his peers in his role. I think you might just be overhyping Patoy as well. Qtpie is a pretty dominant reason as to patoy's success imo. I'm not talking about numbers or success. I'm talking purely about his play. He creates so many good plays and never dies, unless it's like 1 for 3/4/5, which is what you're supposed to do as the support. I only judge people by their play. Qtpie is good (and incidentally my favorite player) but patoy is God.
The only God is Godlife.
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On February 16 2013 17:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:41 OutlaW- wrote:On February 16 2013 17:24 wei2coolman wrote:On February 16 2013 17:22 OutlaW- wrote:
Wait, so you're saying because you've never seen him play other roles that he can't be good? I'm afraid you cannot reach a higher level than perfection, and he's been playing perfectly every game. He might not be as good as Madlife, but his dominance over his competition is the same (NA competition is considerably lower, though) What I'm saying, is I haven't seen him do something extraordinary that would suggest he's more than a standard support player with good mechanics. Also, generally speaking if you talk about dominance of a player, its in comparison to his peers in his role. I think you might just be overhyping Patoy as well. Qtpie is a pretty dominant reason as to patoy's success imo. I'm not talking about numbers or success. I'm talking purely about his play. He creates so many good plays and never dies, unless it's like 1 for 3/4/5, which is what you're supposed to do as the support. I only judge people by their play. Qtpie is good (and incidentally my favorite player) but patoy is God. The only God is Godlife.
Confirmed for truth.
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On February 16 2013 17:52 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 17:46 wei2coolman wrote:lol, I think you're a bit blind about how terrible NA team really are... If you want to talk about god-like support in NA, chauster is probably as close as its gunna get to NA's version of madlife. On February 16 2013 17:48 IMoperator wrote:
Idk how you're ever supposed to rank up in solo queue. This game is way too team reliant to actually get higher on the ladder. In SC2, you can tell if you're improving if you win more games vs. people and if your macro is good etc. etc. but on league I have no idea if I'm doing well or not, because if my kassadin goes 0/4 in lane and feeds wtf am I supposed to do? I have no idea what to do in ranked lol. Get fed. Carry team. Remember LoL is all about you only have 4 slots to be filled with potential fucktards. The enemy team has 5 slots to be filled with potential fucktard. You're the difference between your team, and the enemy team. What if I'm stuck support or something?
then obviously you lose because supports have exactly zero impact on any game and your teammates are always retards, amirite?
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patoy gets 3 bonuspoints for being the only person that seems to play support Ali nowadays apart from Madlife ( surprise!)
Cow still #1 melee support
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On February 16 2013 14:50 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 14:35 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 16 2013 14:21 HazMat wrote:On February 16 2013 14:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
My understanding is the closer to the top of a division you get the harder it starts to cap you.
What were your LP totals when this happened shake? I was at 0 in Diamond Div 2 lmao. I've been reading a lot of people in post game chat saying they were getting +4 in random games suddenly as well, strange. In any event, you know they did a great job designing a system to hide Elo when no one even understands how it works in practice, even if the theory is simple enough. They made me start playing on my smurf again. If I end up buying some RP on it then their system is successful.
You guys need to buy RP? I thought they would just give that out... like candy?! No? 
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Damn people tryhard too much, I'm leveling a new account I'm level 10 and they already want a "meta" team comp with support and shit wtf
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On February 16 2013 18:54 Lylat wrote:
Damn people tryhard too much, I'm leveling a new account I'm level 10 and they already want a "meta" team comp with support and shit wtf
You could do that.
Or you could just play like panth xin and be 10/0 by 10 minutes.
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I don't understand the "it's hard to carry as support" stuff people are talking about. Getting your ADC an advantage is nice and all, but your job doesn't end there. If you have an advantage as a support, you should be buying a crapton of wards and putting them in the enemy jungle (when you know its safe). Enemy jungler going for a buff? Get your team to converge on him and jack him up. Suddenly the enemy jungler doesn't feel like he can push objectives or even be in his jungle and be safe, because he knows its warded to hell and back and he's already behind and his bot lane is too.
Boom, game is mostly sealed at this point provided no one derps. The more ward coverage you have, the less likely anyone on your team does something stupid.
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