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On February 16 2013 08:02 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 07:33 Koenig99 wrote:
Played a few games on PBE as Quinn. She's looking like a much better top laner than bottom, her blind and passive will allow her to abuse certain matchups top, but her range is too short for bottom lane. Her passives and abilities are pretty badass. This might be the first ADC I actually like.
IMO from an ADC perspective her ult feels bad in a lot of ways... you lose your passive (which does a ton of damage with auto -> e -> auto), you gain MR/amor but make your autos and blind melee. In team fights the extra AS and 20% movespeed don't really outweigh the punishment you get for being melee.
People talk about using her ult to essentially to rush to team fight from their split push but most split pushers are, well... top laners. IDK if this makes her a top laner or not but her ult is the weirdest thing they ever put on an ADC for sure.
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I'm really curious if anyone who mains roles other than ADC could tell me what it is they enjoy about their role. I really want to solo queue, however if I don't get to play ADC, I just don't enjoy the game. I'm wondering if maybe someone could open my eyes.
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On February 16 2013 11:48 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 08:02 willoc wrote:On February 16 2013 07:33 Koenig99 wrote:
Played a few games on PBE as Quinn. She's looking like a much better top laner than bottom, her blind and passive will allow her to abuse certain matchups top, but her range is too short for bottom lane. Her passives and abilities are pretty badass. This might be the first ADC I actually like. IMO from an ADC perspective her ult feels bad in a lot of ways... you lose your passive (which does a ton of damage with auto -> e -> auto), you gain MR/amor but make your autos and blind melee. In team fights the extra AS and 20% movespeed don't really outweigh the punishment you get for being melee. People talk about using her ult to essentially to rush to team fight from their split push but most split pushers are, well... top laners. IDK if this makes her a top laner or not but her ult is the weirdest thing they ever put on an ADC for sure.
The way I was using her ult on the PBE was to transform, fly in and blind everyone, use her ult again to do the AOE damage, and E onto someone so I would jump out of the fight. Obviously you still have to be mindful of CC, but I found that working out better than leading in with E and just being stuck in the middle of the enemy team.
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On February 16 2013 12:02 RagequitBM wrote:
I'm really curious if anyone who mains roles other than ADC could tell me what it is they enjoy about their role. I really want to solo queue, however if I don't get to play ADC, I just don't enjoy the game. I'm wondering if maybe someone could open my eyes.
Mid:
-Fast paced and exciting
-You actually get to make plays and roam
-If you die/get behind you aren't totally fucked in lane, you can still 1v1 if you outplay them
-Skillshots
-You can make the enemy ADC or any squishy your bitch if you catch them correctly at any point in the game.
-Most of the time its all about your skill, you can play safely and still have kill opportunities.
-Don't have to worry about support having gamesense and mechanics of cabbage
Jungle:
-You don't have to cs, very relaxing.
-You actually have to think about the game all the time in deciding where to move and where to gank, when you can counterjungle
-Coming in at the last possible second and ruining a nice 1v1 top several times in a row until the enemy top wants to kill themselves.
-Having all three lanes losing and single handedly winning at least two of them by getting them multiple gank kills
-Telling your bot lane that they can go fuck themselves when they ask for a gank because you arent going to give the corki they fed 12-0 a triple kill.
-Don't have to worry about support having gamesense and mechanics of cabbage
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On February 16 2013 12:02 RagequitBM wrote:
I'm really curious if anyone who mains roles other than ADC could tell me what it is they enjoy about their role. I really want to solo queue, however if I don't get to play ADC, I just don't enjoy the game. I'm wondering if maybe someone could open my eyes.
Top: "Screw all the other lanes. Imma buy wards and win my own 1v1 top."
(Half the time the jungler causes a player to win anyways though)
Jungle: Those few games where I can gank everywhere.
The feeling I'm still contributing by taking gold my team wouldn't be able to get elsewhere.
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Support: "Play really well? Dominate lane? Give adc 40 cs 4 kill 2 assist advantage? Doesn't matter you've got 3 assasins on your team gg."
Why do I enjoy support so much. I have fun with it but it always ends poorly.
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On February 16 2013 12:49 Sermokala wrote:
Support: "Play really well? Dominate lane? Give adc 40 cs 4 kill 2 assist advantage? Doesn't matter you've got 3 assasins on your team gg."
Why do I enjoy support so much. I have fun with it but it always ends poorly.
I have 0 idea why i like to support, but i do.
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Support: be an annoying fuck, be really irritating and make the enemy team very pissed at you, get focused in teamfights and get out at 5% hp
haters gonna hate, supports gonna support
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On February 16 2013 12:55 SagaZ wrote:
Support: be an annoying fuck, be really irritating and make the enemy team very pissed at you, get focused in teamfights and get out at 5% hp
haters gonna hate, supports gonna support
Very good supports are the most underestimated things in the league. Youd be suprised how much pressure they can exert with solid warding and ekeing out all the utility they can from their kit.
Still having nightmares from some of the good alis/leonas/jannas.
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I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind.
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On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind.
The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you.
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On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you.
As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win...
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On February 16 2013 13:25 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you. As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win...
No, the issue is that your ELO is too low for your division, so until your ELO gets high enough to be the next division the system is throttling your advancement.
E.G. lets say you have 80 points in silver 1 but your ELO is 1450. Well your ELO needs to be 1550 to be at the minimum for gold 5. So you're going to need to win 10 games in a row to get there, or 2 LP per win.
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On February 16 2013 12:02 RagequitBM wrote:
I'm really curious if anyone who mains roles other than ADC could tell me what it is they enjoy about their role. I really want to solo queue, however if I don't get to play ADC, I just don't enjoy the game. I'm wondering if maybe someone could open my eyes.
Jungle:
-My mid lane low HP? Their mid probably going to play ultra aggressive. Get the gank right in time for free kill.
-Spot their jungler going on a gank? Countergank for free kill.
-My top is awful and getting dove 1v1? Show up for the clean up for free kill.
Low elo everyone overextends and goes deep at the wrong times and just do dumb things. If you play a high mobility early pressure jungler its just free gold everywhere on the map and the enemy team start raging and their jungler who's too busy farming golems.
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On February 16 2013 13:27 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:25 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you. As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win... No, the issue is that your ELO is too low for your division, so until your ELO gets high enough to be the next division the system is throttling your advancement. E.G. lets say you have 80 points in silver 1 but your ELO is 1450. Well your ELO needs to be 1550 to be at the minimum for gold 5. So you're going to need to win 10 games in a row to get there, or 2 LP per win.
Yeah but it dropped real fast. I was getting about 25+, then it went to 2 in like 3 games. I don't think it's ELo. esp since I'm on a winning streak.
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there were some bugs at the beginning of season for me loci, if it continues you should ask a rioter
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On February 16 2013 13:48 LoCicero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:27 Goumindong wrote:On February 16 2013 13:25 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you. As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win... No, the issue is that your ELO is too low for your division, so until your ELO gets high enough to be the next division the system is throttling your advancement. E.G. lets say you have 80 points in silver 1 but your ELO is 1450. Well your ELO needs to be 1550 to be at the minimum for gold 5. So you're going to need to win 10 games in a row to get there, or 2 LP per win. Yeah but it dropped real fast. I was getting about 25+, then it went to 2 in like 3 games. I don't think it's ELo. esp since I'm on a winning streak.
are you in diamond 1?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398023
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On February 16 2013 13:56 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:48 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:27 Goumindong wrote:On February 16 2013 13:25 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you. As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win... No, the issue is that your ELO is too low for your division, so until your ELO gets high enough to be the next division the system is throttling your advancement. E.G. lets say you have 80 points in silver 1 but your ELO is 1450. Well your ELO needs to be 1550 to be at the minimum for gold 5. So you're going to need to win 10 games in a row to get there, or 2 LP per win. Yeah but it dropped real fast. I was getting about 25+, then it went to 2 in like 3 games. I don't think it's ELo. esp since I'm on a winning streak. are you in diamond 1? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398023
It's happening at division 1 of every league. I went from 26 points a win to 4 at the top of silver 1 too.
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On February 16 2013 14:00 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:56 UniversalSnip wrote:On February 16 2013 13:48 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:27 Goumindong wrote:On February 16 2013 13:25 LoCicero wrote:On February 16 2013 13:22 Sermokala wrote:On February 16 2013 13:20 LoCicero wrote:
I think there was a post on the new ranking system that explained it, however at this point I'm getting 2 points for a win and literally -19 for a loss. Is that explained in the post regarding the new rank system? Sorry I couldn't find it, maybe I'm blind. The points you get when you win and the points you lose when you lose are based on a math of the mr of everyone in the game. Past that I can't really help you. As far as I'm concerned, I better have like a 95% chance to win according to ELO if I get +2 for a win... No, the issue is that your ELO is too low for your division, so until your ELO gets high enough to be the next division the system is throttling your advancement. E.G. lets say you have 80 points in silver 1 but your ELO is 1450. Well your ELO needs to be 1550 to be at the minimum for gold 5. So you're going to need to win 10 games in a row to get there, or 2 LP per win. Yeah but it dropped real fast. I was getting about 25+, then it went to 2 in like 3 games. I don't think it's ELo. esp since I'm on a winning streak. are you in diamond 1? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398023 It's happening at division 1 of every league. I went from 26 points a win to 4 at the top of silver 1 too.
Ok. That's just the display being set to obnoxious parameters then.
The problem should be like... fifteen times as bad in diamond one right now though, since I expect we're in the second wave of logjamming.
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Yesterday I had a 20 LP win, followed by a 4 LP win, followed by a 13 LP loss. Is each individual match THAT much different in average MMR?
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