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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 28 2013 23:05 GMT
#3321
So, (from Dig at least) quite a bit of duo lane mid in LCS. Makes me wonder why it's never really been a thing. Obvious reasons include:

-Bushes in side lane being easier to abuse for duo laners (Taric stun, Blitz Grab, Leona combo)
-Mid is shorter (many immobile mids, easy for duo lane to escape a gank than a single person)
-Mid is equidistant to Blue for both sides

However, do those reasons overpower the pluses or having a mid duo?

-Much easier to ward, support doesn't need nearly as many wards. 2 can cover everything except full behind tower ganks.
-Allows Support to roam if applicable. Roaming supports can be scary.
-ADs generally have the best pushing power (depends, Cait/Graves/Trist/Varus are strong standouts) and can take the essential mid turret quickly, as we've seen in LCS.

Obviously it's not something that Solo Queue will pick up overnight, nor will most people accept it if you suggest it, but it just looks very strong depending on the champs you take.
It's your boy Guzma!
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#3322
I spent like a week a couple months ago theroycrafting why duo mid is better. Never understood why it's not used, it makes sense more on every level.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
February 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#3323
With Regi playing xerath many games, do any xerath players here want to give general skill build/item tips?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#3324
Another benefit of having the support + AD mid is jungle control. Counter-jungling is much, much riskier against a duo mid. Not only is it harder for your mid to assist you, but their duo is bound to come whichever side of the jungle you attack, meaning any counter-jungling is at best N vs N+1. If you want to use a jungler who's weak to counter-jungling, duo mid is a strong answer.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23461 Posts
February 28 2013 23:21 GMT
#3325
On March 01 2013 06:37 IMoperator wrote:
I like Hybrid Theory + Meteora, the rest of them are rather mediocre to bad.


yeah this, i never bothered with the other albums
aka Teutonica
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 23:22:55
February 28 2013 23:22 GMT
#3326
when i think of sending ad+support mid...

-not only is mid lane short but the second tower is also short, and you have an extra escape route making it harder to do 3v1 ganks
-it is easy to rotate mid, so it's harder to force 2v1
-most mids not named kassadin won't be zoned out as hard and they shouldn't fall behind as much as a melee top
-dig had a plan going in, and they executed it, whereas coL looked absolutely lost and did not know how to respond. (they still lost the tower 2v2 with shen/taric.)


in solo q it's definitely not beneficial when you have no plan and poor communication.
in arranged 5s you would need the right practice and plan and the right hero picks on both sides.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 23:34:56
February 28 2013 23:33 GMT
#3327
I remember when AD/support went botlane and people argued that it was better because it was safer for the carry to lane with a support to keep them safe and it helps with dragon control. I then argued that midlane was safer for an AD carry and that being in bot lane didn't really offer significantly more dragon control than if the AD was midlane.

I don't remember the reason given for why AD/support mid was wrong from TL. I think it was because the mid laner can gank lanes easier or something. Although frankly most supports are pretty good at roaming to gank too.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 23:37:36
February 28 2013 23:37 GMT
#3328
I feel like I'm in the fucking twilight zone. I woke up a few hours ago and check TL, sixteen pages about some conversation regi had with chaox and linken park.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 28 2013 23:45 GMT
#3329
On March 01 2013 08:33 overt wrote:
I remember when AD/support went botlane and people argued that it was better because it was safer for the carry to lane with a support to keep them safe and it helps with dragon control. I then argued that midlane was safer for an AD carry and that being in bot lane didn't really offer significantly more dragon control than if the AD was midlane.

I don't remember the reason given for why AD/support mid was wrong from TL. I think it was because the mid laner can gank lanes easier or something. Although frankly most supports are pretty good at roaming to gank too.


Are you saying AD/Sup mid or AD mid with Sup+AP bot? The latter has obvious drawbacks because how reliant mages are on levels.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-28 23:51:31
February 28 2013 23:50 GMT
#3330
On March 01 2013 08:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 08:33 overt wrote:
I remember when AD/support went botlane and people argued that it was better because it was safer for the carry to lane with a support to keep them safe and it helps with dragon control. I then argued that midlane was safer for an AD carry and that being in bot lane didn't really offer significantly more dragon control than if the AD was midlane.

I don't remember the reason given for why AD/support mid was wrong from TL. I think it was because the mid laner can gank lanes easier or something. Although frankly most supports are pretty good at roaming to gank too.


Are you saying AD/Sup mid or AD mid with Sup+AP bot? The latter has obvious drawbacks because how reliant mages are on levels.

AD/sup mid. It's an interesting idea, but there are definitely some drawbacks as people have alluded to earlier.

The main advantage is mostly boiled down to 'map control', while the main disadvantage is that your 1v2 lane is less safe in a long lane than their 1v2 lane is in the short mid lane.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 28 2013 23:50 GMT
#3331
On March 01 2013 08:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 08:33 overt wrote:
I remember when AD/support went botlane and people argued that it was better because it was safer for the carry to lane with a support to keep them safe and it helps with dragon control. I then argued that midlane was safer for an AD carry and that being in bot lane didn't really offer significantly more dragon control than if the AD was midlane.

I don't remember the reason given for why AD/support mid was wrong from TL. I think it was because the mid laner can gank lanes easier or something. Although frankly most supports are pretty good at roaming to gank too.


Are you saying AD/Sup mid or AD mid with Sup+AP bot? The latter has obvious drawbacks because how reliant mages are on levels.


AD/support mid. Sorry I realize it was worded weird.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 01 2013 00:03 GMT
#3332
So, Jarvan can pull himself to his flag while snared.

Stupid, or awesome?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 01 2013 00:04 GMT
#3333
he probably flagged before you snared
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 00:10:31
March 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#3334
No, Jarvan can use his Q while snared because it isn't a movement ability, it's just a side-effect under certain conditions, contrary to Xin's E for example, so its cast isn't "forbidden" (grayed).
So if it connects with his flag, he'll pull himself to it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 00:22:35
March 01 2013 00:11 GMT
#3335
On March 01 2013 09:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
he probably flagged before you snared

I'm pretty sure I remember Flag->Pull being able to go through snares since release, and there's no patch notes about it.

On March 01 2013 08:33 overt wrote:
I remember when AD/support went botlane and people argued that it was better because it was safer for the carry to lane with a support to keep them safe and it helps with dragon control. I then argued that midlane was safer for an AD carry and that being in bot lane didn't really offer significantly more dragon control than if the AD was midlane.

I don't remember the reason given for why AD/support mid was wrong from TL. I think it was because the mid laner can gank lanes easier or something. Although frankly most supports are pretty good at roaming to gank too.

It's the opposite problem. When you have an uneven lane, the onus is on the advantaged lane to suppress the development of the opponent. It's much harder to do this mid because the lane is shorter. You basically never deny the enemy mid laner XP because the lane isn't long enough to threaten them out of XP range, and denying them CS is unreliable depending on the AP and how easy it is for them to pick up CS under tower (though in the case of weaker APs/AD mids, they can be weak enough in this aspect to still justify a mid duo).
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 01 2013 00:22 GMT
#3336
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 01 2013 00:23 GMT
#3337
On March 01 2013 07:40 Phunkapotamus wrote:
Can we go back to talking about Pokemon? This Linkin Park talk is worse than the official LoL GD forum.


Let's discuss how OP Whitney's Milktank is!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 01 2013 00:28 GMT
#3338
On March 01 2013 09:22 plasmidghost wrote:
Is it normal to jump two divisions after a promotion?


It can happen. Not that uncommon.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 00:45:04
March 01 2013 00:34 GMT
#3339
I don't get it. They switched the Honour system because it was too lenient on the red crest and too harsh on the others, and immediatly after that it switched me from Red to Green crest. I can get it. The following morning it switches from Green to Yellow. Uh, I guess both were pretty near, or I qualified for both and Yellow became rarer after the system changes. And now two weeks later it switches me from Yellow to Blue. What's the point? @_@

Also EUW seems totally fucked up, can't load a profile or the shop, gave me error reports to send while not doing anything if I click "send report", and I can't log back in once I closed the game, it barely acknowledges that I've entered my ID and password and clicked "Log in".
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
March 01 2013 00:49 GMT
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