EPTOn February 12 2013 06:16 Gahlo wrote:
Makes me think of middle aged Mako with a future industries car.
Makes me think of middle aged Mako with a future industries car.
I just watched the series this weekend! :D yeye Asami.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I just watched the series this weekend! :D yeye Asami. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:48 Lmui wrote: He's pretty damn good in ranked 5s if you have a proper teamcomp. We had AP Kog, jayce, corki, lulu xin. If the other team can never fight you, you'll never take damage and new tear => rylais is amazing on AP kog. It takes a while to ramp up but if you get to midgame alright, it's very difficult to push against and very difficult to defend against as well. AP Kog's biggest issue right now is his mana problem. Even with fully stacked tear/seraph plus blue buff you run oom pretty fast in a long siege. Personally I think Lux is a far more reliable AP mid to run in a poke comp. Xerath can be ok too. And honestly I think people who wanna run poke comps should experiment with Ziggs some. Ziggs has good poke and two spells that are great for disengaging/discouraging straight fights. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:37 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't really think Jayce is as strong as you guys think he is. He just doesn't have a gamechanging ult in his kit. He's also kinda clunky to use. I like my champions to have good animations and to be able to auto after a spell or move a bit. He can't do that. Jayce has a 45% win rate overall and in my experience isn't the best. Yeah, and Karma always had a very low winrate while being a monster in the right hands/comp. Jayce was faceroll at release and even after the first few nerfs. Like, Darius/Zed/Kha'Zix level faceroll. You didn't even need to think about your stuff, just "use" (spam) it and you'd win lane and be a monster in fights. A lot of people picked up "the OP" for that, and once he got nerfed they failed, and those who refused to adapt and learn to play him failed too. Eve and Diana took a sharp turn down in their winrates after their nerfs too because they went from faceroll to "you actually have to use your brain sometimes". Winrates have to be put in context and sometimes they tell less about the champ and more about its players. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:59 Alaric wrote: Winrates have to be put in context and sometimes they tell less about the champ and more about its players. I agree, but you can use different arguments all the time. Eg: the only reason Karma even has a 40% win rate is because the people who play her are really good with her. Or the people who play Karma have all lost 350 elo on average so now they've stabilized to a 50% win rate. I've never seen Karma in a pro game. Win rates are objective. If there is a way to carry hard as Jayce consistently, I just don't know it. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:02 obesechicken13 wrote: I agree, but you can use different arguments all the time. Eg: the only reason Karma even has a 40% win rate is because the people who play her are really good with her. Or the people who play Karma have all lost 350 elo on average so now they've stabilized to a 50% win rate. I've never seen Karma in a pro game. Win rates are objective. If there is a way to carry hard as Jayce consistently, I just don't know it. Hotshot trolled with Karma after one of Marcou's decisions a while back. I think it was stacking groups cuz they were worried TSM and Epik were gonna collude in a tourney. Forget which one. But she has been in a pro game. | ||
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Wrag
France124 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:18 Two_DoWn wrote: Hotshot trolled with Karma after one of Marcou's decisions a while back. I think it was stacking groups cuz they were worried TSM and Epik were gonna collude in a tourney. Forget which one. But she has been in a pro game. Well i'm not sure that counts. But wasn't karma run in some shield comp in korea with urgot iirc. Think it was mid karma too. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:37 Wrag wrote: Well i'm not sure that counts. But wasn't karma run in some shield comp in korea with urgot iirc. Think it was mid karma too. I dunno about a Korean team but Karma has been seen in three tournaments that were charted by Leaguepedia. All three games she was used in were losses though. http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/Karma_-_The_Enlightened_One She got banned twice at IPL5 too lol. I remember SGS running her in a teamcomp at that tournament actually. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:52 Requizen wrote: ADC Jayce is kind of interesting in lane. As a straight ADC, he kinda sucks because of the range issue, but as a kill lane combo with Leona, Ali, or Taric, he can dump all over other ADs and just man-mode lane. But at end game, you don't have a proper ADC, since outside of his poke and after his W has been spent, he can't really stand up to most of the standard ones. But do you really need a proper ADC ? Also Voyboy used Karma top in some game not very long ago iirc. But he lost that game I think... | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:56 -Zoda- wrote: But do you really need a proper ADC ? Also Voyboy used Karma top in some game not very long ago iirc. But he lost that game I think... I think Monte and them tried some ADC-less team comps during testing one week, but I don't know the results. I'd imagine it would be fine if you had a strong late game AP to make up for it or win before the point where ADCs are "necessary". | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:58 Requizen wrote: I think Monte and them tried some ADC-less team comps during testing one week, but I don't know the results. I'd imagine it would be fine if you had a strong late game AP to make up for it or win before the point where ADCs are "necessary". The problem we ran into was that our kill lanes typically lost. We never got around to testing pseudo-ADCs like Jayce, tanky Graves, etc. I've done some of those tests on my own time with decent results, but nothing conclusive (most of the tests were corrupted by all other lanes/the jungle failing, so I don't have any meaningful data about Jayce mid-late game performance in that role). | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
edit: jayce-lulu seems like a really scary lane. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:50 schmutttt wrote: Wingsofdeath with 35k viewers. :/ I was thinking "hmm, Xspecial's stream is being wonky...I guess I can go laugh at him whine." His explanation of how he plays Vi made me want to yell at my monitor. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:24 Gahlo wrote: I was thinking "hmm, Xspecial's stream is being wonky...I guess I can go laugh at him whine." His explanation of how he plays Vi made me want to yell at my monitor. What was he saying? | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
blood moon shen, blood moon akali and ninja rammus 50% off too. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
He could just walk up to a tower and kill it before it killed him. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
So far I've seen in in game Wings has played mid, Nancy has played, Voyboy has done it a few times. It's quite viable but I still think it's a niche pick. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:25 VayneAuthority wrote: what keeps jayce relevant late game is that he doesnt need to build attack speed. a Q then a W in cannon form can just insta kill an ad. I remember a game where smash had an IE plus some other items, killed a morg before she could ult or zhonya's. | ||
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