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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On February 10 2013 08:55 LoCicero wrote: TBH I think Xin is worse. You can literally build zero damage items and still easily kill people from his absurd base damage and built in CDR. Yeah true, seeing Xin every game now :/ | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On February 10 2013 08:57 IMoperator wrote: Yeah true, seeing Xin every game now :/ It's always been like this, though, even in season 2. People just didn't know. The only thing that changed with s3 is that he's even tankier, but he still could have gone full tank in season 2 and dealt the same amount of damage. (You could argue that the armor pen change helps him a little so this probably works better for early season 3 better) | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On February 10 2013 08:35 IMoperator wrote: Idk if they fixed it, but it seems to work a lot better than I remember. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, idk, but it seems like both got way more reliable. I've been playing pretty much only Jarvan (except when Ares bans me >:o) and his ult got owned when Skarner ult got nerfed. Before if someone flash the instant you ulted you would follow them, but now you ult the space where they used to be and thus lock you and possibly your team away from them. At least if they had to flash out of the actual ult you could follow with an EQ if CDs were up, but currently because of cast animations by the time you're done with casting ult they're so far away that you couldn't EQ anyways. Also EQ sometimes doesn't knock up people that you travel right over and sometimes it knocks up guys no where close Finally, sometimes Q pulls you to E even though it was nowhere near the flag (the flag's hitbox for Q seems to be better than the actual hitbox of the flag for dealing damage). | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On February 10 2013 09:48 LoCicero wrote: Startling realization: rammus with homeguard is kinda awesome. So awesome that it might actually be competitive at a high level. Probably strong for anti-poke comps. tp homeguard rammus top. bring dem bruisers and ad assassins, | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
We won both games. When we duo'd on my platinum I got +23 and he got +4. He needed 5 more LP so we duo'd again, this time from my Gold V account. We stomped this one even harder and he got his 4th win in a row, but he only earned 1 ( ONE SINGLE LEAGUE POINT) and I got +23. So the odds were pretty even between the teams. He has been playing mostly duo queue lately, maybe 80% of his games duo, 20% solo. And he's on a winning streak. What is this new system? It seems an aberration of some sort. I can't seem to identify the factors that are not letting him progress on a +/- 20 points per game. I thought the system is fine because of the fact that setting goals is easier this way, but no way in hell am I gonna play to win 1 point and lose -20. That is just horrendously wrong. What is your experience with earning +1/+5 points ? And if you lose do you go -15 ? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On February 10 2013 08:57 IMoperator wrote: Yeah true, seeing Xin every game now :/ you can actually do the same with jax with cdr but for some reason nobody ever does it they just go full retard with all damage items and still do okay because jax with E and R can still survive decently. xin has more cc though, granted, and better engage, but jax has even better base damages and a better/more reliable tank steriod | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
On February 10 2013 03:46 Tula wrote: Or add a report function to champion select. Frankly every time I queue up and get a 5th pick who says something like "mid or I feed" I want to dodge. I have no problem playing 3 positions (basically anything except top lane), so I have zero sympathy for people who try to insist they play the same position every game. Or which happens almost as often that people just lock in a troll pick if they don't get the position they wanted. I don't flame, but players like that make me seriously question if it is worth it to play the game, because it's 90% certain we will loose. In all fairness, I have no idea how these problems can be fixed. At the end of the day almost everyone is an egoist on the internet, and if random chance throws you together with 4 people who want to play solo lane, something has got to give  I just don't think punishing dodges when they are our "only" defense against absurd trolling during champion select is the right way to go.Yes. I had to dodge my first game in Platinum V because of Nunu mid >.> It was my first dodge in months, I usually just like playing against the odds, unless it's really unbalanced towards late game. Started the new division with -10 -.- SUCKS! | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On February 10 2013 09:58 Slayer91 wrote: you can actually do the same with jax with cdr but for some reason nobody ever does it they just go full retard with all damage items and still do okay because jax with E and R can still survive decently. xin has more cc though, granted, and better engage, but jax has even better base damages and a better/more reliable tank steriod not sure if your talking about jungle or top lane but its tough to get away with full tank jax top since he has no sustain where as xin does. if jungle, then yea | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 10 2013 09:58 Slayer91 wrote: you can actually do the same with jax with cdr but for some reason nobody ever does it they just go full retard with all damage items and still do okay because jax with E and R can still survive decently. xin has more cc though, granted, and better engage, but jax has even better base damages and a better/more reliable tank steriod thing about xin tho, is once you hit cdr cap, you blink all around the place almost like kat in teamfights, and with iceborne gauntlet, you provide pretty substantial utility in addition to everything else that xin offers. In terms of raw dps, it wouldn't surprise me that jax > xin, but I feel like xin's is just so much more reliable, given that he sticks to people like glue. In almost every given situation, you can get your job done as xin, but I don't think you can say the same for jax. imo, xin is really strong, and i'm actually surprised he hasn't seen significant face time in pro games. I think gauntlet really tipped him over the edge. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
What? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On February 10 2013 09:54 Mondieu wrote: I don't have any idea how the new League Points system works. I have played with a mate of mine that is in Gold I division on 2 different accounts. First time on my platinum V account, and then on my brother's gold V account. So basically 1 division apart. We won both games. When we duo'd on my platinum I got +23 and he got +4. He needed 5 more LP so we duo'd again, this time from my Gold V account. We stomped this one even harder and he got his 4th win in a row, but he only earned 1 ( ONE SINGLE LEAGUE POINT) and I got +23. So the odds were pretty even between the teams. He has been playing mostly duo queue lately, maybe 80% of his games duo, 20% solo. And he's on a winning streak. What is this new system? It seems an aberration of some sort. I can't seem to identify the factors that are not letting him progress on a +/- 20 points per game. I thought the system is fine because of the fact that setting goals is easier this way, but no way in hell am I gonna play to win 1 point and lose -20. That is just horrendously wrong. What is your experience with earning +1/+5 points ? And if you lose do you go -15 ? the number of league points that you earn is supposed to be based on your hidden mmr/elo | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 10 2013 10:31 Slayer91 wrote: Iceborn xin? What? Good question indeed. Roffles told me this is how I get high post count. AmIdoinitrite? | ||
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discator
Germany639 Posts
On February 10 2013 10:29 barbsq wrote: I think gauntlet really tipped him over the edge. What? Why would you ever want to build gauntlet on xin? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On February 10 2013 09:58 Slayer91 wrote: you can actually do the same with jax with cdr but for some reason nobody ever does it they just go full retard with all damage items and still do okay because jax with E and R can still survive decently. xin has more cc though, granted, and better engage, but jax has even better base damages and a better/more reliable tank steriod I think Xin has more burst too so I think Xin has more reason to build full damage. I don't think it's possible eg for Jax to one shot a squishy unless he's super fed like 3+ levels then them and has other items to help his burst like gunblade Bork. The numbers don't agree but I've been one shotted many times by Xin and very few times by Jax. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
I mean you get an aoe slow which you already have, and you get a nice verison of the sheen proc but worse than the only slightly more expensive trinity, I can't hlep but feel like you're spending an awful lot too much on the slow ap and mana which you pretty much dont use well. Iceborn jax, however, makes a lot more sense the whole thing with max cdr xin is you have a 2-3 second E which is like a 2 second AoE slow and gapcloser with a 3.6 second 1 second knockup why the fuck do you need the strongest slow item in the game also building jax with 7-8k worth of damage items because "you have no sustain in lane" is pretty shitty reasoning i'll take an extra health pot, thanks | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Build no offensive items>still proceed to do plenty of damage. Not dealing with stupid shit like him. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
good luck | ||
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JALbert
United States484 Posts
On February 10 2013 10:10 Mondieu wrote: Yes. I had to dodge my first game in Platinum V because of Nunu mid >.> It was my first dodge in months, I usually just like playing against the odds, unless it's really unbalanced towards late game. Started the new division with -10 -.- SUCKS! That's hardly dodgeworthy IMO. | ||
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