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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:34:06
February 10 2013 03:21 GMT
#2981
So im in a game against TorcH and feeding horribly

[image loading]
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:23:00
February 10 2013 03:22 GMT
#2982
Attack Speed is no longer a core stat for Xin after the CD reduction on attack got moved from his W to his Q.

Increasing attack speed no longer is worth increasing amounts of effective CDR. So long as you get all 3 Q hits in, you get the same amount of effective CDR regardless.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:27:45
February 10 2013 03:26 GMT
#2983
On February 10 2013 12:18 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2013 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 10 2013 11:12 Parnage wrote:
I'd not rate attack speed as a stat Xin Zhao needs to buy on his items.

BATTLE CRY!

Yeah, maybe not core stat, but it's not wasted.

Battle cry is exactly WHY attack speed isn't a stat he needs to buy on his items.

If you want armor and CDR, get a frozen heart. You can permaslow with your E when you have 40% CDR.


LOCKET


locket brutalizer spirit visage
or
locket brutalizer ghostblade

thats your only core as xin
after that just get warmogs or something maybe a LW

BC is a decent alternative to gb but the attack/move speed 10 more flat armpen and crit all come retardedly cheap in ghostblade

locket gives tons of hp, cdr, and armour, its basically godmode on xin
aka Teutonica
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2013 03:38 GMT
#2984
it's broken on everyone... locket is way over the top.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:42:54
February 10 2013 03:40 GMT
#2985
57 corvette your build is 50 shades of fail

did we teach you nothing

you have a grand total of 1 item you should have

EDIT RACHEL WAS PLAYING ON NUNU
with a ga
wat
aka Teutonica
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 10 2013 03:44 GMT
#2986
Waiting for my re-install to patch. Regail me with some triumphant news!
Freeeeeeedom
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 10 2013 03:47 GMT
#2987
On February 10 2013 12:40 Slayer91 wrote:
57 corvette your build is 50 shades of fail

did we teach you nothing

you have a grand total of 1 item you should have

EDIT RACHEL WAS PLAYING ON NUNU
with a ga
wat


Yeah.. after the wriggles and Tabi I was just building whatever, I stopped caring around the 3rd-4th death.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:48:11
February 10 2013 03:48 GMT
#2988
you shouldn't have gone eiher of those, madreds/boots 1/locket should be your standard mobility boots if you need them but mercs almost always
aka Teutonica
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:54:34
February 10 2013 03:52 GMT
#2989
I thought we established weeks ago that finished Wriggle's is trash and that Madreds->anything other than finishing Wriggle's is better.

Wriggle's is mathematically very unfavorable compared to Madred's+Spirit. Especially after they chopped yet another 100 gold off the price of Spirit. Not saying you should even buy Spirit on Xin, but if you did, it'd still probably be better than Wriggle's.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 03:57:20
February 10 2013 03:54 GMT
#2990
On February 10 2013 12:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
it's broken on everyone... locket is way over the top.

quoted for accuracy

also y u guys no try swiftness xin
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
February 10 2013 04:02 GMT
#2991
it feels somewhere along the line that when you have constant aoe slow and a gapcloser and knockup that 20 extra movement speed doesnt seem so enticing
aka Teutonica
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
February 10 2013 04:06 GMT
#2992
On February 10 2013 13:02 Slayer91 wrote:
it feels somewhere along the line that when you have constant aoe slow and a gapcloser and knockup that 20 extra movement speed doesnt seem so enticing

it's not the 20 ms, it's the not getting kited all day deal

which is why you buy it on nasus too
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
February 10 2013 04:11 GMT
#2993
On February 10 2013 12:52 TheYango wrote:
I thought we established weeks ago that finished Wriggle's is trash and that Madreds->anything other than finishing Wriggle's is better.

Wriggle's is mathematically very unfavorable compared to Madred's+Spirit. Especially after they chopped yet another 100 gold off the price of Spirit. Not saying you should even buy Spirit on Xin, but if you did, it'd still probably be better than Wriggle's.

I droped this math bomb on some of my friends and they think I'm a god now.

they still don't know why I go omen over a warmogs or a ga when I need a defensive item.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 04:14:42
February 10 2013 04:14 GMT
#2994
On February 10 2013 13:06 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2013 13:02 Slayer91 wrote:
it feels somewhere along the line that when you have constant aoe slow and a gapcloser and knockup that 20 extra movement speed doesnt seem so enticing

it's not the 20 ms, it's the not getting kited all day deal

which is why you buy it on nasus too


well news flash but having a <3 second gapcloser a knockup and aoe slow means the only thing you worry about is hard cc which is why you get mercs

nasus having no hard cc and no gap closer is completely different
aka Teutonica
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2013 04:16 GMT
#2995
are swifties even better vs slows than mercs?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 10 2013 04:18 GMT
#2996
I LOVE wriggles on xin and the only times when I don't get it is if I'm starved. The difference in clear speed with and without is like quite significant.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
February 10 2013 04:19 GMT
#2997
Wow I can see why you guys say Xin is so strong now which is weird because I don't see him having any recent buffs. I think a lot of it is how easy his skillset is to use and the other bit is his auto range.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-10 04:24:14
February 10 2013 04:24 GMT
#2998
On February 10 2013 13:19 obesechicken13 wrote:
Wow I can see why you guys say Xin is so strong now which is weird because I don't see him having any recent buffs. I think a lot of it is how easy his skillset is to use and the other bit is his auto range.

its cuz riot nerfs the shit out of other things so stuff that was strong but not op before is now op

this also holds true in starcraft 2
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 10 2013 04:38 GMT
#2999
On February 10 2013 13:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
are swifties even better vs slows than mercs?

They are if you get Ancient Golem or Zephyr anyway, since those don't stack with mercs.
3.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 10 2013 05:04 GMT
#3000
testing out stream

http://www.twitch.tv/bly08
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