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On February 07 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you guys weren't building IBG on Nasus wtf were you doing
AoE slow proc that's guaranteed after wither? [edit] I was wrong about this part, still though... [/edit] That should sound pretty appealing to you...
Plus grabbing a frozen heart and a trinity tends to be a bit more useful IMO.
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On February 07 2013 07:13 Seuss wrote:Obviously Riot has a Nasus skin in the works. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you guys weren't building IBG on Nasus wtf were you doing
AoE slow proc that's guaranteed after wither? Cleave on bonus Q damage? That should sound pretty appealing to you... IBG's cleave damage only works off base AD.
I'm almost gonna be sad if they release a Nasus skin because that means I'll have to shell out more RPs to own it.
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You should obviously go gunblade or botrk so you can slow after wither !
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On February 07 2013 07:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:13 Seuss wrote:Obviously Riot has a Nasus skin in the works. On February 07 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you guys weren't building IBG on Nasus wtf were you doing
AoE slow proc that's guaranteed after wither? Cleave on bonus Q damage? That should sound pretty appealing to you... IBG's cleave damage only works off base AD. I'm almost gonna be sad if they release a Nasus skin because that means I'll have to shell out more RPs to own it.
What, not going to win this one too?
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On February 07 2013 07:19 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 07 2013 07:13 Seuss wrote:Obviously Riot has a Nasus skin in the works. On February 07 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you guys weren't building IBG on Nasus wtf were you doing
AoE slow proc that's guaranteed after wither? Cleave on bonus Q damage? That should sound pretty appealing to you... IBG's cleave damage only works off base AD. I'm almost gonna be sad if they release a Nasus skin because that means I'll have to shell out more RPs to own it. What, not going to win this one too?
What did I win?
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On February 07 2013 07:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:19 Requizen wrote:On February 07 2013 07:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 07 2013 07:13 Seuss wrote:Obviously Riot has a Nasus skin in the works. On February 07 2013 07:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you guys weren't building IBG on Nasus wtf were you doing
AoE slow proc that's guaranteed after wither? Cleave on bonus Q damage? That should sound pretty appealing to you... IBG's cleave damage only works off base AD. I'm almost gonna be sad if they release a Nasus skin because that means I'll have to shell out more RPs to own it. What, not going to win this one too? What did I win?
I thought you said last night that you won a few of the Nasus skins?
Else I was asleep while we were talking.
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On February 07 2013 07:01 Amui wrote:
I wouldn't say IBG was core. However it was really important to get some form of mana item on him because over the course of leveling up, coupled with CDR, the cost of Q goes up almost 4x(6.66x currently), and his ult&E were prohibitively expensive to use in lane if you weren't going to get anything with it. Even at level 18, just using ult, E and wither once would consume almost half your base mana instantly.
Nasus mana complaints are unfounded. Its not like Jax players demand to be able to last hit with Empower. He is strong even without ridiculous amounts of Q stacks, so IDK why people are like "blah blah blah MUST every minion, OH NOES IM OOM, BUFF MEH!"
Laning sucks for basically all toplaners with good endgames pre-6, or pre-9 depending on the champ.
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On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong.
For me the choice isn't between IBG and TF, but between IBG and FH. The latter costs 400g less, gives 30 more armor (35 on PBE), 5% more CDR, and has one of the best auras in the game. It's fun have a Sheen-family proc for Q, but ultimately it isn't necessary.
The funny thing is I don't like TF on Nasus either. If I need a damage item I'll build IE now that Q's bonus damage can crit.
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On February 07 2013 07:23 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong. For me the choice isn't between IBG and TF, but between IBG and FH. The latter costs 400g less, gives 30 more armor (35 on PBE), 5% more CDR, and has one of the best auras in the game. It's fun have a Sheen-family proc for Q, but ultimately it isn't necessary. The funny thing is I don't like TF on Nasus either. If I need a damage item I'll build IE now that Q's bonus damage can crit.
Speaking of which, if (some of) the buffs go through, but they remove the Q bonus damage crit (which they ought to), will you run the same build but without the silly crit runes and replacing IE?
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On February 07 2013 07:23 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong. For me the choice isn't between IBG and TF, but between IBG and FH. The latter costs 400g less, gives 30 more armor (35 on PBE), 5% more CDR, and has one of the best auras in the game. It's fun have a Sheen-family proc for Q, but ultimately it isn't necessary. The funny thing is I don't like TF on Nasus either. If I need a damage item I'll build IE now that Q's bonus damage can crit.
There is no way the bonus damage crit is intended.
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i wonder when team Curse practicing. Whenever i open twitch.tv, voyboy and saintvicious are streaming.
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On February 07 2013 07:33 Mensol wrote:
i wonder when team Curse practicing. Whenever i open twitch.tv, voyboy and saintvicious are streaming.
It's na.Solo q is like 5v5 arranged.
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On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong.
yeah why dont we build tiamat on every champ because clearly the everyone sticks that closely together in teamfights
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On February 07 2013 07:36 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong. yeah why dont we build tiamat on every champ because clearly the everyone sticks that closely together in teamfights
I don't think that's what he was arguing, but rather you're Nasus and from a tanky/utility perspective, IBG offers Armor, a slow and CDR, whilst TF offers a slow (not AoE), MS, and some health.
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On February 07 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
Laning sucks for basically all toplaners with good endgames pre-6, or pre-9 depending on the champ.
Wukong can vouch for that
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On February 07 2013 07:43 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
Laning sucks for basically all toplaners with good endgames pre-6, or pre-9 depending on the champ. Wukong can vouch for that
My poor, poor Irelia says 'sup.
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On February 07 2013 06:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
its not really a nasus buff considering they have been nerfing iceborn gauntlet which is core on him. seems more of "compensation" to me Nasus doesnt have a core. He is one of those champs that literally anything you build on him can be amazing if the game so dictates. Just try LB Ap Nasus some time.
i feel like a lot of the older heroes were designed like that, where you can build different items and have a different impact in the game
and now the newer designed heroes are just plug and play in the meta
somebody please tell me why they don't want supports going ap mid
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On February 07 2013 07:40 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:36 Slayer91 wrote:On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong. yeah why dont we build tiamat on every champ because clearly the everyone sticks that closely together in teamfights I don't think that's what he was arguing, but rather you're Nasus and from a tanky/utility perspective, IBG offers Armor, a slow and CDR, whilst TF offers a slow (not AoE), MS, and some health.
There's plenty of tank items id rather get than IBG it feels like a poor compromise for damage/tanky since it isnt that cost efficient for you its only good on people who can abuse the slow (Ezrael hi)
As nasus your'e going to take a lot of damage to Q some random targets so generally you don't use the slow when you can use W from range anyway
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On February 07 2013 07:25 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:23 Seuss wrote:On February 07 2013 07:16 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
But I mean the point is you're gonna be in the middle of their team and if your thought process on IBG vs Triforce is "I'd rather have more single target damage" then I think you're playing Nasus wrong. For me the choice isn't between IBG and TF, but between IBG and FH. The latter costs 400g less, gives 30 more armor (35 on PBE), 5% more CDR, and has one of the best auras in the game. It's fun have a Sheen-family proc for Q, but ultimately it isn't necessary. The funny thing is I don't like TF on Nasus either. If I need a damage item I'll build IE now that Q's bonus damage can crit. Speaking of which, if (some of) the buffs go through, but they remove the Q bonus damage crit (which they ought to), will you run the same build but without the silly crit runes and replacing IE?
No, I'll keep running crit runes and items after they stop being worthwhile on Nasus because obviously flukes will definitely happen again.
That said, I'm not sure Riot will actually bother to fix crit Qs unless someone finds a reliable build to abuse. I've been playing Nasus extensively since we found out about Q crits, and I haven't found the change to be an overwhelming advantage. It's still hard to stack Q in lane due to the CD, pressure from your opponent, and jungle ganks. It's still easy to get kited to death if you try to bum rush squishies. You still can't afford to ignore defensive stats. As frightening as the crit bug sounds, it's not as deadly as you'd think in practice.
Even in games where I sat at 700 bonus damage with LW and IE I wasn't one-shotting people. My hypothetical damage was obviously 2637.5 on a crit Q, but between GA, champion base armor, Aegis etc. the damage shrinks a lot. On top of that you don't have a 100% chance to crit unless you sacrifice a defensive item for SotD, so if you aren't sporting 18% crit from runes you'll only have a 25% chance to hit that big crit.
It'll be the first thing to go if Nasus becomes too strong, but until he becomes FotM, wins too large a % of his games, or finds a build which is decidedly "unfun" I don't think we'll see the crit go away. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.
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On February 07 2013 07:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 07:43 misirlou wrote:On February 07 2013 07:20 cLutZ wrote:
Laning sucks for basically all toplaners with good endgames pre-6, or pre-9 depending on the champ. Wukong can vouch for that My poor, poor Irelia says 'sup.
The point is, tradeoffs should be a thing. If Nasus Q becomes spammable (under the assumption of using it to last hit), who is to say he doesn't become a beast at sustain, trading, and zoning?
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