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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:13 obesechicken13 wrote: I believe you. Elise is one of those junglers that gained a lot from the new jungle. How so? Just her spiderlings blocking damage for you, or does she have a fast clear? I've never played it before, is there a quick guide somewhere? | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Her ganks and chase potential are already incredible, not to mention her damage output. Repel + Stun + red buff makes for easy kills, and she doesn't even rely on her ult so she has full kit at 3 to gank. | ||
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TSBspartacus
England1046 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
If you're certain the game will go another 20+ minutes then you can pick it up, but the item is just poorly designed for supports. As for top laners that sometimes get philo, you're usually better off just holding on to the philo for the gp5, and then either building shurelia or selling it, since the regen is negligible late in the game and you don't pick up revive, heal, or CV. EDIT: Let's assume you will get 3 levels in 5 minutes as a top laner, which is quite a short time. You can spend 400g to make Eleisa, or keep your philo gp5 and sell it in 5 minutes. You would get 150g from the gp5, 350g from selling philo, and 400g from not buying Eleisa, for a net 900 gold that can go towards a much stronger item. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:18 AsmodeusXI wrote: Champ spotlight is up in case it hasn't been posted yet. Edit: Ugh, too cool. Too bad I never get to play top in Ranked. Youtube comment : «Seems as if Riven and Blitzcrank hab some fun bedtime...» She will be more than viable mid judging from her kit... | ||
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TSBspartacus
England1046 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:36 Sandster wrote: You can't get it as a support. By the time you can reasonably afford it (level 12+) it takes FOREVER to get 3 levels as a support. 99% of the time you're better off finishing your support items or buying more wards. The item slot is not a big deal since you won't realistically get 6 items by the end of the game, and you're giving up gp5 from philo and the ability to make shurelia. If you're certain the game will go another 20+ minutes then you can pick it up, but the item is just poorly designed for supports. As for top laners that sometimes get philo, you're usually better off just holding on to the philo for the gp5, and then either building shurelia or selling it, since the regen is negligible late in the game and you don't pick up revive, heal, or CV. Yeah it does seem a pointless build on supports, especially with the fact the game will probably be decided before you can get to that stage. Just seems like a really cool item design that has potential but struggles to fit in anywhere. Perhaps if the meta switches to getting a really(/equal to ADC) farmed support with these cool new support items and more carry lanes/junglers. And yes the net 900g is nothing to be scoffed at, but is that worth a spare slot lategame? I suppose if you knew the game was going to be really long it would. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:19 Bladeorade wrote: What the fuck? I'm still calling her Vee Why? Her name is Vi. As in Violence | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:49 TSBspartacus wrote: Yeah it does seem a pointless build on supports, especially with the fact the game will probably be decided before you can get to that stage. Just seems like a really cool item design that has potential but struggles to fit in anywhere. Perhaps if the meta switches to getting a really(/equal to ADC) farmed support with these cool new support items and more carry lanes/junglers. And yes the net 900g is nothing to be scoffed at, but is that worth a spare slot lategame? I suppose if you knew the game was going to be really long it would. The 900g is the difference between making Eleisa and holding it for 3 levels, compared to selling your philo after 5 minutes. Both of them free an item slot. Basically you can think of it as: do I want to pay 900g for a permanent 10 health regen / 15 mana regen? The answer is almost always no. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Maybe Heal on some top laner is nice, I've seen Rumbles take it. | ||
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Arekan
United States248 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35152 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:32 TSBspartacus wrote: What do you guys think of the Elysia's Miracle? I like to buy the philo stone, hold on to it until 13-14-15 ish (sell before 16) and then after buying it lvl up 3 times and get a free extra slot. Yes it isn't most optimal item but it gives you good sustain and offers the permanent benefits without taking up a slot which is pretty damn OP if you can get there late game. Thats the problem though, reaching that point safely. Perhaps it would be good on a really passive support. I run it on Singed sometimes since the farm I get allows me to get items pretty fast but I'm not sure trading the extra damage/HP mid game is worth the free item (slot wise) late game. I think unless you're getting it super early it isn't worth it. The stats are nice but there are better things to spend gold on. I rarely buy Philo for supports anymore and only get it on Amumu because he doesn't need machete and can go beads/pendant/3pot start. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:26 Requizen wrote: How so? Just her spiderlings blocking damage for you, or does she have a fast clear? I've never played it before, is there a quick guide somewhere? I never even bother with spiderling tanking and she utterly destroys the jungle, one of the fastest junglers in the game and she has batshit insane ganks and damage. I firmly believe she is overpowered currently. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CDX2A.png) Mpen reds, armor yellow, MR blue, AP quints I don't even buy 5 pots with my machete because she can go wolves/blue/wraiths/red without smite/golems etc and end up with full health no problem, I go like 3 depending on comps Skill ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4IlBF.png) R>Q>W>E You can go E on 3 if you see a gank open. Do not max W first, one level is enough to destroy the jungle and Q is Incredibly better for ganking and fighting early when you dont have as much sticking power and burst is more important. Its not even a clear speed sacrifice, you will massacre the jungle. items: Spirit of the spectral wraith Sorcs Guise Rylai Then hourglass/abyssal/Liandry Combo for jungling is human form QW, smite, R, WQ. Don't use your Spider Q immediately if you arent going to get a second one in, its better to hit it with a few W attacks and then execute it for more damage and speed. You can steal a buff with this combo in less than 3 seconds. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
 @Eleisa's | ||
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Sermokala
United States13938 Posts
On December 19 2012 00:32 TSBspartacus wrote: What do you guys think of the Elysia's Miracle? I like to buy the philo stone, hold on to it until 13-14-15 ish (sell before 16) and then after buying it lvl up 3 times and get a free extra slot. Yes it isn't most optimal item but it gives you good sustain and offers the permanent benefits without taking up a slot which is pretty damn OP if you can get there late game. Thats the problem though, reaching that point safely. Perhaps it would be good on a really passive support. I run it on Singed sometimes since the farm I get allows me to get items pretty fast but I'm not sure trading the extra damage/HP mid game is worth the free item (slot wise) late game. It makes no sense at all. So we're going to take an item that riot took behind the shed and shot (philo stone) and you want me to pay to take away the one thing that makes me want to buy it (the gp/10). then you want to give me the ability for it to go away when I'm not hurting for slots anyway? If its bad for even supports to get it only gets worse for any other role. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 19 2012 01:01 Gahlo wrote: I think unless you're getting it super early it isn't worth it. The stats are nice but there are better things to spend gold on. I rarely buy Philo for supports anymore and only get it on Amumu because he doesn't need machete and can go beads/pendant/3pot start. It's never worth it, because the gold you're giving up to build Eleisa could help you win your lane, OR you're so dominant in lane it doesn't matter so you may as well hold on to the philo for more gold. Item slots don't matter early on anyway. Unless you have revive/heal/cv you shouldn't ever get the item. And if you have heal it probably means you have a rough lane, in which case you shouldn't be spending 1100g on an item that gives no stats. I still like Machete on Amumu and building it into spirit stone. The increased single target damage is pretty noticeable and helps with clear speed quite a bit. | ||
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TSBspartacus
England1046 Posts
On December 19 2012 01:02 mordek wrote: Could be a great ARAM item... Yes that was actually where I first picked it up and started thinking about it. On December 19 2012 01:01 Gahlo wrote: I think unless you're getting it super early it isn't worth it. The stats are nice but there are better things to spend gold on. I rarely buy Philo for supports anymore and only get it on Amumu because he doesn't need machete and can go beads/pendant/3pot start. I played Amumu in the jungle yesterday and was so shocked at how fast the monsters died. May have to pick him up seriously since his ganks are pretty awesome too as well as his teamfight. But yeah I think it is just too niche to be useful at all really and it takes some foresight to plan to buy it (need the extra gold from philo, going to get enough farm to buy 7th item anyway and perhaps vs poke heavy teams on a champion that needs the mana regen. To improve it they should add movement speed boost of 10% that way Singed gets to run around with ghost, ulti, furor speed boots, elysia and lich bane just for the lulz. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
then again why go philo on amumu when you can go spirit of the ancient golem also amumu is fucking broken and has been for a while now only pick him if you want free wins | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 18 2012 18:32 Diamond wrote: Sick, thank you for the advice! Edit: What about 0/9/21 masteries? It's like free boots, 5% exp gain, and another 3%/3% spell vamp and life steal? Seems worth it. You're sacrificing a lot of offensive potential by going that deep in Utility. Using 11-12 points to get Vampiricism has merit when you lack Spell Vamp Quints, but with them you're just getting redundant sustain at the cost of your clear speed and assassination power. On December 18 2012 22:22 Vanka wrote: What about the new spirit stone spell vamp item? I was trying to think of champions that could use it other than the obvious fiddle...other than akali, the only other one I could think of that could use it would be rumble...(rumble in the jungle) The problem is she doesn't need it. It's great for AP champions that need mana regen and want something more jungle-oriented than Will of the Ancients, but Akali demolishes both the jungle and enemy champions with Gunblade. If you're going to build your Revolver into anything it should be Gunblade. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Seuss, I saw a Jungle Akali in a game this past week and thought it was kind of a joke, but she did surprisingly well. Is this actually legit or is it just a sort of cheesy pick that works sometimes? I can't really see her having good ganks or anything like that. On December 19 2012 01:14 Slayer91 wrote: why the hell would you go beads pendant when you can go flask beads 2 pot then again why go philo on amumu when you can go spirit of the ancient golem also amumu is fucking broken and has been for a while now only pick him if you want free wins Amumu's always been broken in solo queue imo, he thrives on the enemy's lack of communication or overall coordination. Or at least it's always felt that way in low ELO. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
no, her name is vee, as in veelocity | ||
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