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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 15 2013 23:28 GMT
#8881
Riot implementing Divisions like Sc2

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:30:40
January 15 2013 23:29 GMT
#8882
Wait so you can never fall below a tier once you've achieved it?

Sounds like a gift from God for the trolls who you hate to play with but are actually decent enough at this game to be high elo when they try.

Edit: Nvm I'm misreading something. Seems there's a difference between skill tiers and skill divisions?
Retvrn to Forvms
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 15 2013 23:30 GMT
#8883
On January 16 2013 08:29 Chrispy wrote:
Wait so you can never fall below a tier once you've achieved it?

Sounds like a gift from God for the trolls who you hate to play with but are actually decent enough at this game to be high elo when they try.


Or a gift for the trolls who reach a tier and no longer give a fuck because they're not good enough to reach a higher one, so they fuck everyone else over.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 15 2013 23:32 GMT
#8884
Nooo, why, the 1 single unified ladder with simple to understand rating system and no chaos and no clusterfluff around it is awesome. Why do they have to make things that I dislike AND don't understand at the same time. Not to mention that I don't really understand why they are doing what they are doing. It's not even going to change anything once people realize that the matchmaking has not been changed.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
January 15 2013 23:33 GMT
#8885
On January 16 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 08:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 16 2013 08:15 Irave wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/new-league-system-coming-soon-ranked

Have more fun discussion time. Sounds like the sc2 system, but with the opportunity to play a game to rank up.

God fucking dammit. The reason I liked LoL so much was BECAUSE they didnt have that retarded SC2 style system.

Give me a real fucking ladder.

Fuck.

Oh, what the fuck, Riot.
That poor excuse for a ladder system Blizzard currently uses is just horrible. 'Better way of tracking your progress' my ass.
Show nested quote +


This is what everyone wanted with more Ranked 5s incentives. It does look like Blizzard's system of inviting GM players to the National Championships. Isn't SoloQ is still ladder though?

Oh come on, JBright. They've already essentially done this by taking the top 32 teams into the LCS Quals initially. Why did they need to do a complete overhaul? And what about their shiny new badges with their gem system that no one gives a fuck about?


I didn't read it that closely so you're right. It doesn't really make things better and they're making things more complicated.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 15 2013 23:34 GMT
#8886
Hotshot like feeding the other team on purpose
wtf
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 15 2013 23:37 GMT
#8887
I dont get how they are gonna do end of season awards. But oh well.
Freeeeeeedom
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:40:34
January 15 2013 23:39 GMT
#8888
On January 16 2013 07:55 Ares[Effort] wrote:
Can you name all the champions

http://www.sporcle.com/games/MunchkinSmith/league-of-legends-champions-fully-updated


I could only think of like 60, then I gave up at 8min because I had to tab back into my game because the champ select and loading was over.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
January 15 2013 23:39 GMT
#8889
On January 16 2013 08:29 Chrispy wrote:
Wait so you can never fall below a tier once you've achieved it?

Sounds like a gift from God for the trolls who you hate to play with but are actually decent enough at this game to be high elo when they try.

Edit: Nvm I'm misreading something. Seems there's a difference between skill tiers and skill divisions?


Each tier (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond, Challenger) you can't fall out of. However, each tier will have "leagues" a la SC2 comprised of 250 players split into 5 divisions of 5. You can go up or down from division 1 to division 5, and from division 5 you can move up to the next tier (gold -> plat) but you can't fall out of the bottom division of your league. I imagine division 1 will probably be div 4/ div 5 opponents of the next weaker tier after dust settles.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 15 2013 23:41 GMT
#8890
On January 16 2013 08:27 kainzero wrote:
sc2's system is only retarded because everyone wins

this system seems much better, once you pass a certain milestone you don't have to play with terrible players in the tier below you, lol.

what? You don't understand these systems work at all, matchmaking still uses elo, it's just hidden. This is about how information is presented to you, not how you get paired. Ranking systems without negative feedback that stops you playing are what game companies having been moving toward for a while, but it's cosmetic.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 15 2013 23:44 GMT
#8891
On January 16 2013 08:39 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 07:55 Ares[Effort] wrote:
Can you name all the champions

http://www.sporcle.com/games/MunchkinSmith/league-of-legends-champions-fully-updated


I could only think of like 60, then I gave up at 8min because I had to tab back into my game because the champ select and loading was over.

idk i got like 45-50 on my own, they kept escaping me cuz i was thinking of most common champions for each role
lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:47:49
January 15 2013 23:45 GMT
#8892
So this doesn't change anything about the quality of games or who you play with. They just made the ranking system more confusing but more rewarding to players who don't want to play a ton of games and want to see some sort of progression aside from a single rating.

Not sure how I feel about it, could be good, could be bad, have to see whether I like it when it's implemented.

What I don't like is not being able to actually go down in tiers if you play badly. Surely riot isn't going to let people purposefully lose games and play badly and not actually get negatively affected via ranking/rating. Whats to stop people from getting to a certain tier they deem acceptable and then playing badly forever afterwards and troll and then still claim they are still good because they got into "blank" tier. I know their invisible mmr will still get affected and they will play against worstm opponents but then they have a tier on their profile that is lying to everyone.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
January 15 2013 23:51 GMT
#8893
94. Think of roles/relations, it's so much easier than thinking of them off the top of your head. Also, there's way too many champions that start with S/T, way too many
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:54:58
January 15 2013 23:53 GMT
#8894
On January 16 2013 08:45 Zooper31 wrote:
So this doesn't change anything about the quality of games or who you play with. They just made the ranking system more confusing but more rewarding to players who don't want to play a ton of games and want to see some sort of progression aside from a single rating.

Not sure how I feel about it, could be good, could be bad, have to see whether I like it when it's implemented.

What I don't like is not being able to actually go down in tiers if you play badly. Surely riot isn't going to let people purposefully lose games and play badly and not actually get negatively affected via ranking/rating. Whats to stop people from getting to a certain tier they deem acceptable and then playing badly forever afterwards and troll and then still claim they are still good because they got into "blank" tier. I know their invisible mmr will still get affected and they will play against worstm opponents but then they have a tier on their profile that is lying to everyone.


Yepp, basically they just reward people more who don't really play ranked much by giving them little milestones so they can go to their friends and go "WELL I'MMMMM DIAMONDDDDD HERPDERP, BRONZE SCRUB" with even more dickish attitude. Since you know, they're trying to make the divisions of bronze, silver, gold, plat, diamond to seem even "bigger" even when they didn't change.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
January 15 2013 23:54 GMT
#8895
On January 16 2013 08:45 Zooper31 wrote:
So this doesn't change anything about the quality of games or who you play with. They just made the ranking system more confusing but more rewarding to players who don't want to play a ton of games and want to see some sort of progression aside from a single rating.

Not sure how I feel about it, could be good, could be bad, have to see whether I like it when it's implemented.

What I don't like is not being able to actually go down in tiers if you play badly. Surely riot isn't going to let people purposefully lose games and play badly and not actually get negatively affected via ranking/rating. Whats to stop people from getting to a certain tier they deem acceptable and then playing badly forever afterwards and troll and then still claim they are still good because they got into "blank" tier. I know their invisible mmr will still get affected and they will play against worstm opponents but then they have a tier on their profile that is lying to everyone.

I don't think it'll change too much. Even now people will say "my top elo is 1600" if their top elo is 1600 but they're sitting pretty at 1200 currently. People will eventually learn that "I'm lowest division in X tier" means that "I reached X tier once but I'm worse than that now"

And who knows, maybe riot will change their mind and let you get demoted if you do extremely poorly.

I just hope they have an information leak somewhere where you can figure out your matchmaking Elo regardless of the cosmetic ranking changes
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 15 2013 23:55 GMT
#8896
Seems like this is only for ranked 5s?
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
January 15 2013 23:56 GMT
#8897
On January 16 2013 08:54 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 08:45 Zooper31 wrote:
So this doesn't change anything about the quality of games or who you play with. They just made the ranking system more confusing but more rewarding to players who don't want to play a ton of games and want to see some sort of progression aside from a single rating.

Not sure how I feel about it, could be good, could be bad, have to see whether I like it when it's implemented.

What I don't like is not being able to actually go down in tiers if you play badly. Surely riot isn't going to let people purposefully lose games and play badly and not actually get negatively affected via ranking/rating. Whats to stop people from getting to a certain tier they deem acceptable and then playing badly forever afterwards and troll and then still claim they are still good because they got into "blank" tier. I know their invisible mmr will still get affected and they will play against worstm opponents but then they have a tier on their profile that is lying to everyone.

I don't think it'll change too much. Even now people will say "my top elo is 1600" if their top elo is 1600 but they're sitting pretty at 1200 currently. People will eventually learn that "I'm lowest division in X tier" means that "I reached X tier once but I'm worse than that now"

And who knows, maybe riot will change their mind and let you get demoted if you do extremely poorly.

I just hope they have an information leak somewhere where you can figure out your matchmaking Elo regardless of the cosmetic ranking changes


They'll be some way to figure out your invisible mmr, someone will data-mine some formula up and then you'll be able to use that to get your true elo. Riot can change alot still but I might like this if it plays out like SC2.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
January 15 2013 23:58 GMT
#8898
On January 16 2013 08:55 sylverfyre wrote:
Seems like this is only for ranked 5s?


Very first picture has a quote that says this:

"In Season 3, ranked solo/duo, team 3v3, and team 5v5 matches feature a new league system. A league is a ladder of up to 250 players or teams of the same tier."
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 15 2013 23:59 GMT
#8899
hotshot flash body slams the 1/2 hp shen who just walks away
rofl
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 16 2013 00:04 GMT
#8900
I'm assuming that this new system will automatically put players into leagues when it goes live, rather than Riot resetting Elo again.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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