Iceborn Gauntlet core on Vi. Because it's a fist... and she punches things.

In all seriousness I really like it on her, and combined with Randuins/her re-positioning you can disrupt the entire team.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 02 2013 18:53 GMT

#4982

On January 03 2013 03:44 koreasilver wrote:
XJ9 just plays her all balls to the walls AD. Like brut -> BT -> BC. From how he plays, he doesn't really seem to have much problem with sticking when he ganks with R and Q, but I imagine that playing her in lane would be a lot different. IDK, I still haven't actually tried playing her and I don't see her often at all in my games. The only streamer I see that plays her very often is XJ9.

XJ9 is some new one who came after I quit for some months I guess, does he have a stream archive / VODs or something?

If you jungle do you go wriggles or what, anything more specific? After BT BC what? Before the nerf I could have just stacked BCs T_T

kainzero

United States5211 Posts

January 02 2013 18:57 GMT

#4983

for Vi out of the jungle i like botrk.

you have something like R - auto attack - E - Q - auto attack - E - botrk active and apply beatdowns

when R is on cooldown, using Q to gap close and then botrk active also works.

she also seems decent if built as a tank. Q and R are good enough for peel, you have a shield that scales off of health, and W does good base damage.

Serelitz

Netherlands2895 Posts

January 02 2013 18:58 GMT

#4984

BC is pretty core on Vi because her E applies on-hit IIRC. So with BC you can apply its' stacks to multiple people in teamfights.

How you should build (in lane) really depends on your team/opponents IMO. She's poor to iniate with so you should dive the biggest carry after someone else iniates no matter your build.

I rather dislike how much she gets destroyed by all-in bruisers though. Jax, Riven, Garen just wipe the floor with her. But if you survive laning decently she's very fun to play, and her damage is pretty high even if you build tanky.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

January 02 2013 19:14 GMT

#4985

The only problem with XJ9 is his stream resolution. 4:3 makes me T_T

Alaric

France45622 Posts

January 02 2013 19:19 GMT

#4986

On January 03 2013 03:24 Shikyo wrote:
So playing as Vi and I am a bit confused about how she should be built.

Black Cleaver is what everyone recommends but is it really that good after the nerfs? It seems like I never even get to max the stacks on anyone.

Ravenous Hydra seems amazing on her early but takes super long to build.

Also need a Phage item... But with these the survivability becomes an issue.

I really am kind of confused. I feel like dropping Black Cleaver because I seriously never get to max the stacks against anyone but that can't be the right thing to do...?

Her scaling isn't huge so AD shouldn't be a priority, and ArPen benefits her mostly on her W since her base damage aren't stellar either (charged Q is good but you won't always get to charge it fully).
W scales well with AS (think Jax: his passive has to be stacked so flat AS like wit's gives him a stronger build-up than rageblade since he'll reach max stacks way earlier) so wit's is a good item on her.

Personal preferences, I like to build her tanky so I can just initiate with my ult (or QR if I need to), get out of the fight if the focus is too strong, then go back in (Q's shortish cd is pretty good for that), so I wouldn't complete wriggles (doesn't do much for your clear speed, I dunno if madred's really better than spirit stone or simply machete either, I just like the bit of early armor) and get something like phage/locket early on. I feel like she really needs some long sword-based item early on or her burst falls past level 7 or so.
I'd build along boots, mallet, wit's, locket, randuin's but that's because I have a hard-on for randuin's and locket's simply OP currently. Tried bulwark but I felt like I was dumping too much stats in defense and so would lack damage (you've got even less with phage+aegis than a Noc who would straight-up rush aegis).

On January 03 2013 03:58 Serelitz wrote:
BC is pretty core on Vi because her E applies on-hit IIRC. So with BC you can apply its' stacks to multiple people in teamfights.

BC isn't an on-hit but is applied by all sources of physical damage. Her Q and R apply hit to one to several targets (creeps on the way for Q, stuff standing in the way for R) and E applies it in AoE.

I don't think Xj9 should be followed because guy keeps buffs to himself, taxes a lot and pretty often get fed, so he gets a lot more gold than your average game. His game flow and game sense are really good but I wouldn't follow what he builds whenever that requires gold.

misirlou

Portugal3300 Posts

January 02 2013 19:25 GMT

#4987

On January 03 2013 03:58 Serelitz wrote:
BC is pretty core on Vi because her E applies on-hit IIRC. So with BC you can apply its' stacks to multiple people in teamfights.

How you should build (in lane) really depends on your team/opponents IMO. She's poor to iniate with so you should dive the biggest carry after someone else iniates no matter your build.

I rather dislike how much she gets destroyed by all-in bruisers though. Jax, Riven, Garen just wipe the floor with her. But if you survive laning decently she's very fun to play, and her damage is pretty high even if you build tanky.

Her e only applys on hits on the main target. BC applys on physical dmg and e does physical dmg, not because it procs on hits. Q and R also apply one BC stack to everyone dmged

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

January 02 2013 19:41 GMT

#4988

On January 03 2013 04:14 Roffles wrote:
The only problem with XJ9 is his stream resolution. 4:3 makes me T_T

hey man if you have a 4:3 and it's still in perfect condition it's hard to justify

also about Wickd's Zed (I was asleep during those posts) it sounds brilliant, getting the slow from cutlass would allow you to walk up before you split yourself so you can get the slow AND energy regen from E, I'm going to start building it too I think.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 02 2013 19:42 GMT

#4989

Ravenous Hydra active procs BC and the Tiamat procs should proc BC as well so I'm still not sure why BT instead?

Phunkapotamus

United States496 Posts

January 02 2013 19:44 GMT

#4990

On January 03 2013 02:41 Seuss wrote:
Last I checked own3d didn't have a mobile app. Twitch.tv does, and it's a fairly good one (at least when it comes to popular streams/tournaments).

The app is wonderful. Probably one of the most stable and robust Android apps out there. Take youtube for example: Try stopping/resuming even on Wifi- it will sometimes crap out even on current devices. Twitch app does exactly what you'd expect without fail.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 02 2013 19:52 GMT

#4991

On January 03 2013 03:28 Slaughter wrote:

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Interesting, for me its the opposite as Twitch is the laggy one for me lol.

And this is why Riot put the Worlds on Both.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

January 02 2013 19:53 GMT

#4992

On January 03 2013 03:53 Shikyo wrote:

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Yeah he has a stream and he usually streams late into the night. So he opens with machete pots, then just sits on the machete and never upgrades it into anything. Then usually boots afterwards, then brutalizer, then vamp/bf -> BT. After BT and BC he builds LW or GA, usually. But sometimes when he has a slot and not enough money for GA he will just build aegis, but this is pretty uncommon.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

January 02 2013 20:03 GMT

#4993

On January 03 2013 04:14 Roffles wrote:
The only problem with XJ9 is his stream resolution. 4:3 makes me T_T

He's getting a new monitor. Think he needs a little more donation money.

Btw I was watching his jungle Zed last night and it's redic how well he fits his playstyle. Average 200 cs by 23 minutes and at least 10 kills by the end of the game. He just runs around and shoves with E.