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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 26 2012 15:26 GMT
#3121
is it juts me or CLG's members' stream are all laggy..
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
December 26 2012 15:30 GMT
#3122
On December 26 2012 23:11 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 23:07 IGotPlayguuu wrote:
? Maybe you are ironic and i'm not understanding it, but actually kkinsh bought liandry on zyra support after crucible

There's a separate thread for the OGN games.

I thought i was in that thread... my uber fail
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greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
December 26 2012 15:34 GMT
#3123
On December 27 2012 00:05 Slayer91 wrote:
mundo terrible top lane

WAT

i always win with lane mundo you just farm from range with q cant lose lane


so how does it work in a teamfight? do you just dive the carries knowing you can't get killed because you're so farmed or what
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 26 2012 15:37 GMT
#3124
On December 27 2012 00:34 greggy wrote:
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On December 27 2012 00:05 Slayer91 wrote:
mundo terrible top lane

WAT

i always win with lane mundo you just farm from range with q cant lose lane


so how does it work in a teamfight? do you just dive the carries knowing you can't get killed because you're so farmed or what


Mundo goes where he pleases?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 26 2012 16:12 GMT
#3125
On December 27 2012 00:34 greggy wrote:
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On December 27 2012 00:05 Slayer91 wrote:
mundo terrible top lane

WAT

i always win with lane mundo you just farm from range with q cant lose lane


so how does it work in a teamfight? do you just dive the carries knowing you can't get killed because you're so farmed or what

Like Mundo jungle, but even more Mundo.
It's your boy Guzma!
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
December 26 2012 16:34 GMT
#3126
you guys

oh you
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 26 2012 16:36 GMT
#3127
On December 27 2012 00:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 26 2012 18:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. With Diana gibbed, I need a new counterpick against Katarina. After playing the match up quite a few times on both sides, I feel that Mordekaiser is a bit too unreliable as a counterpick. Probably need to seriously start practicing Ahri/Swain.

Btw, Rapidstar is playing Noc mid on OGN right now.


*cough* Viktor

But really, Viktor tools on Kat. I've had mixed success with Zyra. It's a skill matchup imo. You have to be really careful as Zyra because she's squishy and slow, but if you play it right, you can burst her hard. But you don't have a way of crippling her mid/late game snowball like Viktor does.


I also recommend Elise.
Carrilord has arrived.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 26 2012 16:58 GMT
#3128
On December 27 2012 00:34 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 00:05 Slayer91 wrote:
mundo terrible top lane

WAT

i always win with lane mundo you just farm from range with q cant lose lane


so how does it work in a teamfight? do you just dive the carries knowing you can't get killed because you're so farmed or what

Because you get Real Gold you can have Warmogs/Randuins done by the time you'd finish Aegis/MundoVisage out of the jungle.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 17:36:04
December 26 2012 17:35 GMT
#3129
On December 27 2012 01:12 Requizen wrote:
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On December 27 2012 00:34 greggy wrote:
On December 27 2012 00:05 Slayer91 wrote:
mundo terrible top lane

WAT

i always win with lane mundo you just farm from range with q cant lose lane


so how does it work in a teamfight? do you just dive the carries knowing you can't get killed because you're so farmed or what

Like Mundo jungle, but even more Mundo.


do whatever the fuck you want you're mundo

imba poke/slow/nuke on 4 second cd

free 2.5 sunfires
free stacked BT
free heal all your hp over 15 seconds

just got a quadra kill earlier today in 5's with mundo mid-->bot lane when our bot failed had to hold it down like a boss
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 26 2012 17:44 GMT
#3130
Wickd such a dedicated streamer, streams for 7 hours.

"thx for watching my stream guys, will have dinner now, will take 3 minutes then I'm back for more games"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 26 2012 17:56 GMT
#3131
On December 27 2012 00:26 justiceknight wrote:
is it juts me or CLG's members' stream are all laggy..

Happens to me with most own3d streams. For the most part they are unwatchable for me. And I don't care enough to keep checking to see when they are watchable.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 26 2012 17:57 GMT
#3132
Kassadin is also a pretty good pick against Kat, from my experiences from both ends.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
December 26 2012 18:16 GMT
#3133
From someone that's seen the viktor/Kat matchup a great deal it's a very easy win for viktor. He has so many ways of shutting down Kat ult and blowing her up while playing safe. The only times I've seen Kat win was when jungle literally did nothing but camp mid and sacrifice the other 2 lanes and when i played Kat vs an obviously less skilled player with no ideas how to play a matchup I knew well
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 26 2012 18:44 GMT
#3134
On December 26 2012 19:33 Sufficiency wrote:
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On December 26 2012 19:32 bmn wrote:
I've usually found Malz does really well against Kat. Outpush her all day or harrass if she goes to cs, and once both of you have ult she has to be very careful about just getting in range of you.



I am familiar with this match up from Katarina's side and I agree he counters Katarina pretty hard. Unfortunately I don't even have Malzahar..... also my understanding is that he is actually pretty tricky to learn and play.



Malzahar is a champion I think can never actually "lose a lane" because if he's behind he can just farm from infinite range with E and voidling.

That being said, I play him a lot like mordekaiser but because he's range and has cc he doesn't die very easily.


The basic malzahar formula for lane is : Q the ranged minions, thus pushing back your opponent, E one of them, then walk away and watch as it gets you 3 free cs and then probably the rest of the melee minions. You can also farm wraiths pretty effectively if you start E on the small wraith and then queue up a Q infront of you. They all line up pretty nicely and the maelefic visions will bounce a quick 3 times making the mana investment in the camp negligible.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 26 2012 18:51 GMT
#3135
On December 26 2012 18:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Sigh. With Diana gibbed, I need a new counterpick against Katarina. After playing the match up quite a few times on both sides, I feel that Mordekaiser is a bit too unreliable as a counterpick. Probably need to seriously start practicing Ahri/Swain.

Btw, Rapidstar is playing Noc mid on OGN right now.

VIKTOR.

I know it's been said already, but only thrice, it wasn't the first proposition, and it took a page and Soniv to say "Viktor" directly rather than "X and Y, oh and maybe Viktor". You guys still have to learn. :<

On December 26 2012 16:02 TheYango wrote:
This is very awkward.

Aww. <3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 18:59:20
December 26 2012 18:57 GMT
#3136
On December 27 2012 03:44 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 19:33 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 26 2012 19:32 bmn wrote:
I've usually found Malz does really well against Kat. Outpush her all day or harrass if she goes to cs, and once both of you have ult she has to be very careful about just getting in range of you.



I am familiar with this match up from Katarina's side and I agree he counters Katarina pretty hard. Unfortunately I don't even have Malzahar..... also my understanding is that he is actually pretty tricky to learn and play.



Malzahar is a champion I think can never actually "lose a lane" because if he's behind he can just farm from infinite range with E and voidling.

That being said, I play him a lot like mordekaiser but because he's range and has cc he doesn't die very easily.


The basic malzahar formula for lane is : Q the ranged minions, thus pushing back your opponent, E one of them, then walk away and watch as it gets you 3 free cs and then probably the rest of the melee minions. You can also farm wraiths pretty effectively if you start E on the small wraith and then queue up a Q infront of you. They all line up pretty nicely and the maelefic visions will bounce a quick 3 times making the mana investment in the camp negligible.

visions is somewhat low range (especially in comparison to the rest of his skills), so using them on ranged creeps can put you in a bit of a scary spot. Still tho, after abt lvl 7 or so, it's pretty much impossible to deny malz farm.

edit: and i think malz's w is one of the scariest skills in this game.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 26 2012 19:07 GMT
#3137
Disclaimer: I don't play Mid. At all.

Wouldn't Ahri be strong vs Kat? Interrupt ult with charm, can Ult away when Shunpo comes out, heal off the harass with her passive, pretty strong poke back with Orb... Then again, I just think Ahri is one of the strongest midlaners out there. I rarely see her not dominate lane and roam.
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
December 26 2012 19:09 GMT
#3138
i like syndra vs. malz just because i can throw that stupid voidling away. get out of my lane.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 26 2012 19:11 GMT
#3139
I like nunu vs malz cause I get to eat the voidling
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 19:17:29
December 26 2012 19:17 GMT
#3140
I like smite vs malz cause I get to smite the voidling, 10g OP
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