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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On December 27 2012 04:07 Requizen wrote: Disclaimer: I don't play Mid. At all. Wouldn't Ahri be strong vs Kat? Interrupt ult with charm, can Ult away when Shunpo comes out, heal off the harass with her passive, pretty strong poke back with Orb... Then again, I just think Ahri is one of the strongest midlaners out there. I rarely see her not dominate lane and roam. And if she ults in a minion wave? And you want to trade your ult for her shunpo? And her passive requires her to push lane every 3+ spellcasts. I don't know how well Ahri's W trades but everything else seems in favor of Kat. Sounds like a great matchup for her. | ||
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ninjakingcola
United States405 Posts
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KarlKaliente
United States434 Posts
On December 27 2012 04:33 ninjakingcola wrote: I've been playing quite a bit of league since the holidays began, and I've had more terrible games than I can count. Do the holidays bring out the worst in people or something? I'm seeing more awful people than normal, there's ~3 per game rather than like 1 every three games. The kids are on vacation but the adults are still working | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
In mid he can't roam very well until level 6 and even then it seems the melee mids are much better at roaming. He doesn't have the speed, or the cc, and his first two abilities are very easy to miss. Hard to get his combos off if you don't smartcast your WQ like I do. I'm sure there are some really good malz players who can get their combos off instantly at max range but I've never seen one. He can have some bad lanes but none that I can recall in mid. Eg. he sucks vs Singed since Singed will push faster than him at early levels leaving him to cs at tower. He also has no real peel or escape so if he's by himself he dies very easily. Also he's an old champion so even though I max E, I find I have mana issues(for teamfighting during the laning phase) unless I get a Cata. Also my junglers are all assholes and don't give blue. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 27 2012 04:29 beefhamburger wrote: And if she ults in a minion wave? And you want to trade your ult for her shunpo? And her passive requires her to push lane every 3+ spellcasts. I don't know how well Ahri's W trades but everything else seems in favor of Kat. Sounds like a great matchup for her. If she ults in a minion wave, you shouldn't be close enough to get hit. Unless you really mismanage the wave, you should be at range (being a ranged champ and all), so her ult shouldn't hit you if she's hiding in the minions. Trading ult for Shunpo if low, yeah. If she Shunpos on top of full health Ahri, she'll just eat a charm + combo to the face, but Ahri has better escape tools than 90% of mids. Most mids die when Shunpo'd on because they can't escape the follow up if they're low. Ahri can. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
In an actual fight it's REALLY hard to get combo+ult on a priority target while not ended up grossly overextended or having it immediately interrupted. Since so much CC these days is projectile and the netcode is flakey at best, Malz frequently has his ult interrupted by the suppressed target unless you wait for all the CCs to have been thrown out; however, by that point it's typically too late for the ult to be useful. QSS on any type of zerg champ just ruins Malz's day since he gets jumped on and can't do anything in response. They probably need to give his W a slow and shorten his ult duration. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 27 2012 04:07 Requizen wrote: Disclaimer: I don't play Mid. At all. Wouldn't Ahri be strong vs Kat? Interrupt ult with charm, can Ult away when Shunpo comes out, heal off the harass with her passive, pretty strong poke back with Orb... Then again, I just think Ahri is one of the strongest midlaners out there. I rarely see her not dominate lane and roam. What I didn't like about Ahri when I tried her was her teamfight and wave clearing ability. She's got strong ganks and a strong 1v1 against most champions, but she can't clear waves super fast which means she doesn't get to gank as much as another champion who might have weaker ganks and can do it more often, and in a late game teamfight I just always felt like I wasn't putting out enough damage. I feel like Ahri is strong 1v1, but just doesn't give much synergy to the rest of her team. Just my opinion. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ahri's a useless champion That is a pretty bold statement, and one I find kind of erroneous. To say there is absolutely no situation where Ahri can be picked and do at least do decent is silly. There are plenty of match-ups she can win. I'm sure she loses some too but she is far from useless. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:22 onlywonderboy wrote: That is a pretty bold statement, and one I find kind of erroneous. To say there is absolutely no situation where Ahri can be picked and do at least do decent is silly. There are plenty of match-ups she can win. I'm sure she loses some too but she is far from useless. pick ahri to stick to things like vayne/ezreal that you need to assassinate quickly and to deal with things like anivia/xerath in lane. i justify picking ahri whenever there is a large need for multiple gap closers in a short amount of time. ahri gets owned by kat in lane though | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
^Great news IMO. Maybe some Western teams are adopting a Korean Mindset. Or maybe Fnatic knows Rekkles is too good of an asset to let go. Kinda like the Celtics drafting Bird a year early. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ahri's a useless champion no way dude! Ahri can rape alot of mids. Akali and Karthus come to mind. As far as the Kat vs Ahri matchup, I do think ahri has a slight upper hand. Just max foxfire vs kat and if she ever shunpos on you just foxfire/charm/autos. Once 6 you can kill her. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:38 cLutZ wrote: http://www.fnatic.com/news/10371/rekkles-joins-fnatic-academy.html ^Great news IMO. Maybe some Western teams are adopting a Korean Mindset. Or maybe Fnatic knows Rekkles is too good of an asset to let go. Kinda like the Celtics drafting Bird a year early. I would assume it's the latter rather than the former. Not a bad option though, he will still get to practice under the Fnatic tag and they don't lose a great player. In regards to the Korean mindset, I assume you mean the idea of having multiple teams under the same sponsor? Big issue is I'm pretty sure each sponsor is only allowed to have one team in the Championship Series, so you couldn't have CLG and CLG.Black. Not sure how this is going to affect Korean teams. I think it's kind of dumb as Korea has already shown it can be done without issue, but I guess they want to avoid any possible cases of bother teams throwing against each other or something. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
unless you 100% body her, and I'm not talking like up one kill and 10 creep. (and I strongly disagree with the Ahri pick, as opposed to just going Vik or Elise thats not to say it's an unwinnable matchup if Ahri holds on to foxfire for trades she can win them, but the question was picking with knowlege of the other mid in which case I don't agree, a lot of the benefit of picking Ahri is she has few matchups where she cannot at least force a farmfest, but why would you want to farmfest vs one of the best lategame teamfight champs in the game?) | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:46 onlywonderboy wrote: I would assume it's the latter rather than the former. Not a bad option though, he will still get to practice under the Fnatic tag and they don't lose a great player. In regards to the Korean mindset, I assume you mean the idea of having multiple teams under the same sponsor? Big issue is I'm pretty sure each sponsor is only allowed to have one team in the Championship Series, so you couldn't have CLG and CLG.Black. Not sure how this is going to affect Korean teams. I think it's kind of dumb as Korea has already shown it can be done without issue, but I guess they want to avoid any possible cases of bother teams throwing against each other or something. Just that an organization like Fnatic is gonna invest in 2 teams. Always good that orga's are investing so much into the scene and it only helps the " amateurs" players to make the step to season 4 pro even better. And by that we are also gonna see a better offseason. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 27 2012 05:55 ExoFun wrote: Just that an organization like Fnatic is gonna invest in 2 teams. Always good that orga's are investing so much into the scene and it only helps the " amateurs" players to make the step to season 4 pro even better. And by that we are also gonna see a better offseason. Especially since one is developmental team. People like Pobelter really could have used something of that nature where they can really try to improve their game in non-soloQ. I used to play competitive soccer (Club, HS, College) and people always wonder why the United States can't field a world class team with 300 Million people and every kid playing soccer. Well there are 2 reasons: 1. Its not the primary sport, so there is talent attrition, even among players who will never be elite Football/Basketball/etc players. 2. The "development" of players is non-existent. Club soccer teams in the USA emphasis winning games even for 10,11,12 year olds, etc. The problem is that winning and improving at below-professional levels are not really related. To improve you need to be aggressive and try risky plays until you can execute them (which means lots of turnovers until you do), to win you need ball control and a few smart risks. I never realized this until I was like 18 and my team played this crazy Florida team that slaughtered us in a Tournament Final. They basically did tons of things I thought were nonsensical like bicycle kicks (pretty much I felt they were just flashy) and executed them so well that it was like another tier of playing. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
Ahri is amazingly strong champion in soloq due to her ability to pick off carries if they get out of position at all, which happens alot in soloq. She is also an extremely strong roamer and pusher letting her snowball other lanes. On top of that, shes dominates skillshot based champions with her ult up since its impossible to hit her with skillshots when she has 3 free flashes. Ahri vs kat is pretty much based on can you hit kat with a charm when she shunpos/w's, yes you win the trade and can disengage, no you take alot of damage and might have to use summoners and ult. In more organized play shes weaker since people don't get out of position as much vs her, and single target CC can shut her down pretty fast as she has to build pretty squishy to be relevant, so stunning and focusing her as she dashes in can result in a very dead ahri. Also, there are ALOT of mids that are better in straight up 5v5's then ahri. | ||
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