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Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 15:39:00
December 22 2012 15:16 GMT
#2341
How much do you guys feel shaco jungle has been affected by the s3 changes? Are any of the new items good on him, because I find that the old build of wriggles/bruta/triforce works out fine.

Edit: Something strange just happened, I had picked and the game was about to start when the loading screen went black, error sound appears (no message though) and then crashes, I started up lol again and retried, same thing. Then it glitched out and whenever I tried press the reconnect button it just minimised the window. After a lot of attempts I logged out and then when I relogged it said that where was no active game and let me requeue.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
December 22 2012 15:19 GMT
#2342
On December 22 2012 19:27 RebelSlayer wrote:
My go-to season 2 Shaco strat was doing both red and blue buff at the same time.

run 13-15 flat ap and take machete and you can still do it more or less
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
December 22 2012 16:39 GMT
#2343
So, what is the verdict with Zephyr on Irelier? I'm about to pick here up and there was a lot of initial hype over it.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 22 2012 16:55 GMT
#2344
I think the verdict on Zephyr in general is that it's really expensive for no actual tanky stats (Just an anti-CC stat which you could get a lot earlier with mercs if you really really need it). I think it's in a bit of a Nashor's Tooth spot.
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XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
December 22 2012 17:26 GMT
#2345
On December 23 2012 01:55 Inschato wrote:
I think the verdict on Zephyr in general is that it's really expensive for no actual tanky stats (Just an anti-CC stat which you could get a lot earlier with mercs if you really really need it). I think it's in a bit of a Nashor's Tooth spot.

The problem is the Long Sword component. If it was something defensive like a Cloth Armour/Ruby Crystal/Null-Magic Mantle it would be great.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 22 2012 18:02 GMT
#2346
Is anyone else expiriencing weird game lag/fps drop since newest patch?

Also why did god damn shaco have to make a comeback.....And the shaco law is still in effect of course as a bonus.1 more permaban is fun.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
December 22 2012 18:21 GMT
#2347
Are there any top laners that can make use of a BotRK? I really want to build it but I am having trouble fitting it in.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 22 2012 18:24 GMT
#2348
On December 23 2012 01:55 Inschato wrote:
I think the verdict on Zephyr in general is that it's really expensive for no actual tanky stats (Just an anti-CC stat which you could get a lot earlier with mercs if you really really need it). I think it's in a bit of a Nashor's Tooth spot.

The difference is that all of its stats it gives are 2ndry stats, therefore there's no real "oomf" to the item. It's probably actually one of the most cost efficient items in the game, but it's gunna be a while before people find a place for it on their champ builds.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 22 2012 18:25 GMT
#2349
I was thinking it kinda might make sense on Jax because you want the slow and stuff and you attack kinda fast and it seems cool since you probably want only 1 damage item anyway (then you probably want GA I think). Also might be cool on jungle Jax, but he's not a toplaner :D
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 22 2012 18:27 GMT
#2350
i refuse to believe maokai jungle is bad. his kit is too good
cool beans
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#2351
On December 23 2012 03:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i refuse to believe maokai jungle is bad. his kit is too good

Just play him mid. He just shits all over a lot of ap mids.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 22 2012 18:40 GMT
#2352
On December 23 2012 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 03:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i refuse to believe maokai jungle is bad. his kit is too good

Just play him mid. He just shits all over a lot of ap mids.

If you build magic pen it's pretty hilarious to see how much damage his saplings do since his base damages are pretty high.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 22 2012 18:40 GMT
#2353
does anyone have the math on late-game arpen reds/quints v AD reds/quints?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 22 2012 18:41 GMT
#2354
AP Mids lose to a lot of bruisers that you don't normally see mid, and Maokai is sort of an AP carry hybrid bruiser (he has decent AP scaling and a ranged AP poke (.4 / .8 / .4 + .6=1.0 / .5 ratios with fairly low CDs)) so yeah he does reasonably well mid. I think he does extra well against ones that spam spells like Karthus because of his passive, but I'm not actually sure of that..
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#2355
On December 23 2012 03:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 23 2012 03:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i refuse to believe maokai jungle is bad. his kit is too good

Just play him mid. He just shits all over a lot of ap mids.

If you build magic pen it's pretty hilarious to see how much damage his saplings do since his base damages are pretty high.

He's always been a godly mid since like Season 1. Just his jungle counterpart became so damn good due to his high utility and great non-gold level scaling. The biggest issue with Maokai mid is he doesn't scale that well damage wise in lategame, but usually with Maokai you should be able to shove a shit ton of objectives in midgame.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 18:44:54
December 22 2012 18:44 GMT
#2356
On December 23 2012 03:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
i refuse to believe maokai jungle is bad. his kit is too good

No it isn't.

Your jungle clearing is middling to bad. You can kill wolves/wraiths pretty well, but take ages on golems or buffs.

His W is easy, but even easier to pull you into a tower or behind the enemy team by a flash and/or blink. In any scenario where you can't use W without being pulled to certain death (i.e. most laning situations), you lose all ganking ability. This also goes for lategame sieges if you aren't way ahead.

His damage is extremely low and you will generally not be able to hit both parts of E. Lategame his damage is nonexistant.

That puts him at a place where he's a slow/medium clearer, a ganker whose kit is so risky that it will get him killed more often than it gets a kill, and someone who is largely ignorable late because of minimal cc and minimal damage. You've got your ult and that's about it. His ult doesn't work on towers, either.

This makes him effective against laners who are ridiculously pushed in a lane where your teammate has high damage, but pretty worthless in all other situations.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 22 2012 18:47 GMT
#2357
All of the problems you mentioned were present even before S3 Craton :p. I keep telling you guys, Mao is bad and he was the last 4 months or so. One really really good thing about him is his sapling, the vision it gives is something completely unique to Maokai, unfortunately it's not enough to offset his weak stats from slow exp gain and comparatively low amount of CC (Rammus, Nautilus, Amumu).
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#2358
On December 23 2012 03:40 gtrsrs wrote:
does anyone have the math on late-game arpen reds/quints v AD reds/quints?

Here's an article they did on RoG a while back. I don't know how accurate all the math is, but it seems pretty reasonable.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/vvinrar/22582-the-effect-of-season-3-penetration-rune-changes-on
It's your boy Guzma!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
December 22 2012 18:54 GMT
#2359
On December 23 2012 03:47 Scip wrote:
All of the problems you mentioned were present even before S3 Craton :p. I keep telling you guys, Mao is bad and he was the last 4 months or so. One really really good thing about him is his sapling, the vision it gives is something completely unique to Maokai, unfortunately it's not enough to offset his weak stats from slow exp gain and comparatively low amount of CC (Rammus, Nautilus, Amumu).

Yes, Maokai has been bad for several months.

I don't know why you think Amumu is anything but very strong, though. He has strong clear times and natural damage reduction for the jungle and the buff to E mana cost awhile back made it really easy to spam W+E for clearing.

Nautilus can work, but only if you have a very very high damage team (basically no bruiser laners).

Rammus works in more comps than Nautilus does, but I still hate picking him early. His powerball + taunt is devastating lategame.
twitch.tv/cratonz
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 19:03:20
December 22 2012 18:59 GMT
#2360
Soon to be official Aphro to CLG it seems.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15a6hv/aphromoo_on_clg_stream_conversation/
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