EPT[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 83
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:13 Zdrastochye wrote: All I draw from that post is socialism. Those two posts are just genius. | ||
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seRapH
United States9822 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:24 Alaric wrote: How do you build Xin, both top and in the jungle btw? I clearly need to play more "diving" champs like him (I tend to wait for initiation as Irelia/Jax, and the lack of gap closer on Udyr just makes me way too reliant on how my teammates have fed their opponents) but since he's got so low ratios and he doesn't do enough base damage to warrant a full CDR tank build, I dunno what to build on him to still do damage past level 11. Your ult gives you a lot of resists so you'll want to prioritize hp over resists. I generally rush bruta into an hp item and topping that off with fh for full cdr. Games haven't gone long enough for me to try but lw doesn't seem like a bad choice since ult is physical too. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:47 Sufficiency wrote: I don't actually like the concept of a "farm jungler". Jungling is intrinsically safer than laning and harder to counterpick, because the jungler is mostly PvEing out of sight of the opposing team. It feels awfully broken if a champion that has a very bad laning phase can just hide in the jungle and farm for 20 minutes (occasionally going around for a kill) yet still has similar farm to a solo lane. The jungle will still be less than a lane (though an argument can be made that the jungler can not miss CS like a laner can). Also, counterjungling is destructive, something that we have forgotten in S2 jungle. Considering the new big monster is like, 80% of a camp's farm (someone correct me on that), people like Nunu, Shy, etc, (who can kill the big monster quckly and escape) can shut down farm junglers pretty easily, even if they don't fight them directly. Plus, a farm jungler isn't helping their team, so even if they are getting "safe, free farm", the enemy jungler has made the enemy team much stronger than what that one person with jungle farm can make up for. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
i like aphromoo and saintvicious but when those 2 queue together and are on vent shit gets so funny happening right now btw | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:52 Requizen wrote: The jungle will still be less than a lane (though an argument can be made that the jungler can not miss CS like a laner can). Also, counterjungling is destructive, something that we have forgotten in S2 jungle. Considering the new big monster is like, 80% of a camp's farm (someone correct me on that), people like Nunu, Shy, etc, (who can kill the big monster quckly and escape) can shut down farm junglers pretty easily, even if they don't fight them directly. Plus, a farm jungler isn't helping their team, so even if they are getting "safe, free farm", the enemy jungler has made the enemy team much stronger than what that one person with jungle farm can make up for. You can't steal camps from someone who keeps them perpetually cleared. If farm jungling became a thing you'd need a concerted team strategy to catch and control them. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I wonder what good the "slow reduction" mastery will do on him. The lack of gap closer doesn't resume itself to slows now. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:56 Seuss wrote: You can't steal camps from someone who keeps them perpetually cleared. If farm jungling became a thing you'd need a concerted team strategy to catch and control them. That somewhat depends on what paths are. If we keep the same Wolves-Blue-Wraiths-Wolves-Red-Wraiths path, someone like Nunu starting blue, stealing big Wraith, and then going back to his own jungle puts the enemy way behind currently, and he can keep that up throughout the game. Warding the enemy jungle helps that, as well. | ||
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samthesaluki
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On November 17 2012 04:52 SagaZ wrote: remember the discution about everyone's favorite streamers? i like aphromoo and saintvicious but when those 2 queue together and are on vent shit gets so funny happening right now btw This is genuinely hilarious. POOTYSTAAAAANK!!!!! | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:03 samthesaluki wrote: Req is right ignore the extra gold difference for a sec as its equal for both sides. if minions worth 5 g less each and i zone someone out of a whole wave thats 30 g less id be ahead than right now so it closes skill gap because you get less advantage zoning or last hitting better. On the flip side, you also don't feel as far behind if you miss a wave from roaming/backing/warding/invading/etc. It could, in theory, make it less damaging doing something that's not sitting and farming for 20 minutes. ...is what I would say if mids weren't already super roam-heavy right now. AD's can't really roam, so it really only affects Top. Which I'm kind of fine with, honestly. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:00 Requizen wrote: That somewhat depends on what paths are. If we keep the same Wolves-Blue-Wraiths-Wolves-Red-Wraiths path, someone like Nunu starting blue, stealing big Wraith, and then going back to his own jungle puts the enemy way behind currently, and he can keep that up throughout the game. Warding the enemy jungle helps that, as well. First, the big Wraith is only worth 25g now. Second, "if he can keep that up the entire game" is a big if. There are huge risks involved in invading enemy territory, and one death will erase 12 successful thefts. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:03 samthesaluki wrote: Req is right ignore the extra gold difference for a sec as its equal for both sides. if minions worth 5 g less each and i zone someone out of a whole wave thats 30 g less id be ahead than right now so it closes skill gap because you get less advantage zoning or last hitting better. The gold diff between laners from your zoning is less, but the gold diff between the camping jungler and the "farming" jungler is also less (he gets less gold from camps AND they take longer to clear). Thus the balance of power is not shifted between farming and ganking. By the way, the stated goal of the jungle change was to shift the balance of power between farming and ganking. The changes make absolutely no sense, if they wanted more junglers in the jungle they should have buffed the gold and made it harder for mids to take wraiths and wolves, and flipped dobule golems to face red. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:03 samthesaluki wrote: Req is right ignore the extra gold difference for a sec as its equal for both sides. if minions worth 5 g less each and i zone someone out of a whole wave thats 30 g less id be ahead than right now so it closes skill gap because you get less advantage zoning or last hitting better. I agree. I dont believe this change is for the best. Games will be closer but it's not impossible for teams to comeback from big disadvantages now, so the games that are one sided, are one sided for good reason | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On November 16 2012 15:33 Gahlo wrote: Can't believe the anti-lol Turd Biscuit is getting an item. Grow up | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:12 AsnSensation wrote: can anyone else not duo queue on EUW? I'm sure your friend has a good reason for not wanting to queue with you ^-^ | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
Haha! Classic. Hi TB ^^ | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
From the man himself. Cheeky way of putting it in the game though. | ||
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