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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:33:36
December 01 2012 13:33 GMT
#5241
On December 01 2012 22:30 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:27 Scip wrote:
You make the mistake of thinking that there is a timing to W->Q Teut. There used to be, now you just press W and then mash Q like it's your happy place.


Umm, its a joke or they really changed how Ali works? I dont have a place to try now.

ive always done it the same way, hit W and as soon as he starts moving spam q and knock them up
then again i havent played him in a long while
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:35:27
December 01 2012 13:34 GMT
#5242
On December 01 2012 22:33 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:30 shinarit wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:27 Scip wrote:
You make the mistake of thinking that there is a timing to W->Q Teut. There used to be, now you just press W and then mash Q like it's your happy place.


Umm, its a joke or they really changed how Ali works? I dont have a place to try now.

ive always done it the same way, hit W and as soon as he starts moving spam q and knock them up
then again i havent played him in a long while


They reduced the range of the W to i think 600, other than that i don't know of anything.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
December 01 2012 14:02 GMT
#5243
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/142xe0/korean_proplayers_outlooks_on_s3_changes/

Operation Lure-A-Translator is a go. >=]
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 14:28:14
December 01 2012 14:07 GMT
#5244
I find W-Q combo really easy to use. I even smart cast it and have no problem and I'm not that great of a player.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 01 2012 15:09 GMT
#5245
On December 01 2012 20:20 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shy > Lilac > MakNooN


Where would you place Stanley then?

Personally I'd place them like this:

Shy > Stanley > Lilac > MakNooN

With that said I probably haven't seen enough of Lilac to judge whether he should be below or above Stanley.


Also another question with regards to top laners. Why did Blaze kick Repeared in favor of Goldtec/Flame? Reapered seems outright better to me.


If I recall, Reapered left of his own accord. That was the rumor when it happened.
Freeeeeeedom
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 01 2012 15:16 GMT
#5246
On December 01 2012 20:20 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shy > Lilac > MakNooN


Where would you place Stanley then?

Personally I'd place them like this:

Shy > Stanley > Lilac > MakNooN

With that said I probably haven't seen enough of Lilac to judge whether he should be below or above Stanley.


Also another question with regards to top laners. Why did Blaze kick Repeared in favor of Goldtec/Flame? Reapered seems outright better to me.


Stanley's on par with Shy. Styles are completely different but they carry from Top, exert a immense amount of pressure on that part of map, allow more control for their respect teams. Shy plays more carry. Stanley is more utility.

On December 01 2012 20:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how do you rate any player so cleanly let alone top laners whose performance depends mostly on jungler.


It's my own rating system. I have one, I justify it, people can accept or dispute as they see fit. In my head, I have an imaginary tier system for teams too, for their respective region. Worldwide is a tad more difficult. No tier list for champs, huehue.

On December 01 2012 20:39 TheYango wrote:
As far as I'm aware, the prevailing opinion in Korea is Lilac > Maknoon > Shy. I'm more inclined to believe that given that as Western viewers, we have a much more limited exposure to their abilities than Korean viewers.


Loco says otherwise. I'll check in again today. Will ask about Top lane and Reapered.

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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#5247
On December 02 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:20 EquilasH wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shy > Lilac > MakNooN


Where would you place Stanley then?

Personally I'd place them like this:

Shy > Stanley > Lilac > MakNooN

With that said I probably haven't seen enough of Lilac to judge whether he should be below or above Stanley.


Also another question with regards to top laners. Why did Blaze kick Repeared in favor of Goldtec/Flame? Reapered seems outright better to me.


Stanley's on par with Shy. Styles are completely different but they carry from Top, exert a immense amount of pressure on that part of map, allow more control for their respect teams. Shy plays more carry. Stanley is more utility.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how do you rate any player so cleanly let alone top laners whose performance depends mostly on jungler.


It's my own rating system. I have one, I justify it, people can accept or dispute as they see fit. In my head, I have an imaginary tier system for teams too, for their respective region. Worldwide is a tad more difficult. No tier list for champs, huehue.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:39 TheYango wrote:
As far as I'm aware, the prevailing opinion in Korea is Lilac > Maknoon > Shy. I'm more inclined to believe that given that as Western viewers, we have a much more limited exposure to their abilities than Korean viewers.


Loco says otherwise. I'll check in again today. Will ask about Top lane and Reapered.


You dont need a tier list for champions because Mordekaizer es always numero uno, always kill never die hue hue hue
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 01 2012 16:35 GMT
#5248
On December 02 2012 00:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:20 EquilasH wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shy > Lilac > MakNooN


Where would you place Stanley then?

Personally I'd place them like this:

Shy > Stanley > Lilac > MakNooN

With that said I probably haven't seen enough of Lilac to judge whether he should be below or above Stanley.


Also another question with regards to top laners. Why did Blaze kick Repeared in favor of Goldtec/Flame? Reapered seems outright better to me.


Stanley's on par with Shy. Styles are completely different but they carry from Top, exert a immense amount of pressure on that part of map, allow more control for their respect teams. Shy plays more carry. Stanley is more utility.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:21 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how do you rate any player so cleanly let alone top laners whose performance depends mostly on jungler.


It's my own rating system. I have one, I justify it, people can accept or dispute as they see fit. In my head, I have an imaginary tier system for teams too, for their respective region. Worldwide is a tad more difficult. No tier list for champs, huehue.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:39 TheYango wrote:
As far as I'm aware, the prevailing opinion in Korea is Lilac > Maknoon > Shy. I'm more inclined to believe that given that as Western viewers, we have a much more limited exposure to their abilities than Korean viewers.


Loco says otherwise. I'll check in again today. Will ask about Top lane and Reapered.



Loco would never, ever give Maknoon due credit, lol.
Remember Violet.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 01 2012 17:55 GMT
#5249
On December 01 2012 03:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 02:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On November 30 2012 22:11 OutlaW- wrote:
It's fine. Maxing shield is really strong in the laning phase, you can negate most of his Q damage while you force him to push the lane. You can then freeze and wait for your jungler to gank. Remember, taunt is pretty fucking OP for ganks. You can't beat him 1v1 I think but then again who can? Consider rushing 2 doran shields or sunfire cape.


on a similar note, how does shen perform against kayle? i played vs one last night and i didn't really know what to do. went boots 3 ->dshield -> wits + mercs but she was still blowing me up

i managed to outtrade her early by forcing her to take minion aggro and killed her at lv 3 or 4 but after that i couldn't do anything besides farm at tower and fall behind ~50cs

I'd need to see the replay. If you're taunting her I don't see how you should be losing trades. Shen's dash is really annoying since Kayle can't stick to you when it's up and she gets abused by ganks when you use it.

I know I'm late to the party, but: 1 Shield is not nearly enough armor to survive Kayle. Try something along the lines of boots 3 -> Tabi -> Warden's, and I'm pretty sure you can convincingly win trades.
currently rooting for myself.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 01 2012 18:35 GMT
#5250
I have a question, how do you build evelynn now that the DFG has been nerf. Do you still reach DFG first ? Or do you go for an abyssal and only take DFG late ?
I've tried out quite a lot and don't really know what is the best way to build her.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
December 01 2012 18:38 GMT
#5251
If you follow alex ich its abyssal/haunting guise before.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
December 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#5252
On December 02 2012 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
I have a question, how do you build evelynn now that the DFG has been nerf. Do you still reach DFG first ? Or do you go for an abyssal and only take DFG late ?
I've tried out quite a lot and don't really know what is the best way to build her.

guise, abyssal, dfg, ga, deathcap most of the time.
Chun-li since ST
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:05:25
December 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#5253
What they said.

Sorcs -> Kages -> Guise -> Abyssal -> DFG -> Dcap/GA

Eve still really strong

zhonyas is good on her as well, her shield is op if you opt to use it on a group of people
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#5254
On December 02 2012 03:38 Eppa! wrote:
If you follow alex ich its abyssal/haunting guise before.

Alex Ich been following ME.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
December 01 2012 20:32 GMT
#5255
On December 02 2012 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 03:38 Eppa! wrote:
If you follow alex ich its abyssal/haunting guise before.

Alex Ich been following ME.


In soviet Russia, M5 follow you!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 01 2012 22:15 GMT
#5256
Madlife is God
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#5257
LoL is totally frazzled right now :/
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
December 02 2012 00:30 GMT
#5258
On December 02 2012 07:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
LoL is totally frazzled right now :/


with good reason. that game was bananas
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
December 02 2012 01:34 GMT
#5259
Been thinking about this after watching so many tournaments.....should Riot make it so that the team gold totals can be seen in game by the players? We already can see all other stats in game (CS, k/d/a/, and we know how many towers are up at all times), so why do we not have the ability to know how much total gold our team and the other team has?
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 02 2012 01:40 GMT
#5260
On December 02 2012 10:34 Koenig99 wrote:
Been thinking about this after watching so many tournaments.....should Riot make it so that the team gold totals can be seen in game by the players? We already can see all other stats in game (CS, k/d/a/, and we know how many towers are up at all times), so why do we not have the ability to know how much total gold our team and the other team has?

Showing how much the other team has would let you know if they've sneaked a baron/dragon or even red/blue in some cases(depending on the granularity), not a good idea in my opinion.
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