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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 23:37:08
November 25 2012 23:36 GMT
#4041
Fking Saint. He did a great job getting that red and flashing over golem wall to safety. But then he decides to blue pill right there instead of walking to tower and dies LOL. So much wasted effort =(

edit: Should we have a TSM weekly thread? Just a simple thread with the link to the current brackets and have discussion there.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 25 2012 23:39 GMT
#4042
On November 26 2012 08:36 HazMat wrote:
Fking Saint. He did a great job getting that red and flashing over golem wall to safety. But then he decides to blue pill right there instead of walking to tower and dies LOL. So much wasted effort =(

edit: Should we have a TSM weekly thread? Just a simple thread with the link to the current brackets and have discussion there.

That's not a bad idea, this thread often turns into a pseudo-discussion thread for them when they are going on. Any meaningful way to remove out of context posts is a good idea in my opinion.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 25 2012 23:48 GMT
#4043
On November 26 2012 08:20 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:16 NEOtheONE wrote:
Ranked is really messed up right now. I'm struggling to get out of the 1050-1100ish range and there are Gold ranked and Silver ranked Season 2 players on the enemy teams. I even had a Gold on my team. Hopefully things will settle down in a week or so.


You overestimate people's skill based on previous elo.Most of my games at 1700/1800 silver players beat plats/diamonds in lane no junglers lol.Funny thing is you can even tell they are silver based on items and how they play so makes it even weirder :D.Of course there are those gold vaynes who q INTO graves or silver corkis who w and flash to chase and complain you didn't exhaust someone who appeared next to them....But what you gonna do .


I occasionally outlaned 2k+ elo players when I pretended the enemy jungler did not exist (and possibly due to my opponent not playing his best role). There is always some luck in it.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 25 2012 23:50 GMT
#4044
On November 26 2012 08:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 08:20 nafta wrote:
On November 26 2012 08:16 NEOtheONE wrote:
Ranked is really messed up right now. I'm struggling to get out of the 1050-1100ish range and there are Gold ranked and Silver ranked Season 2 players on the enemy teams. I even had a Gold on my team. Hopefully things will settle down in a week or so.


You overestimate people's skill based on previous elo.Most of my games at 1700/1800 silver players beat plats/diamonds in lane no junglers lol.Funny thing is you can even tell they are silver based on items and how they play so makes it even weirder :D.Of course there are those gold vaynes who q INTO graves or silver corkis who w and flash to chase and complain you didn't exhaust someone who appeared next to them....But what you gonna do .


I occasionally outlaned 2k+ elo players when I pretended the enemy jungler did not exist (and possibly due to my opponent not playing his best role). There is always some luck in it.

I do that all the time. Those noobs lose a trade to me and then fight me like idiots. They get so low and then the jungler shows up out of nowhere because he constantly camps me and kills me when I would have won otherwise D:
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 23:55:15
November 25 2012 23:52 GMT
#4045
On November 26 2012 08:36 HazMat wrote:
Fking Saint. He did a great job getting that red and flashing over golem wall to safety. But then he decides to blue pill right there instead of walking to tower and dies LOL. So much wasted effort =(

edit: Should we have a TSM weekly thread? Just a simple thread with the link to the current brackets and have discussion there.

You wouldn't happen to know why St.V's been exclusively playing Lee Sin in every single online tourney game of recent?

Does he know something that everyone else doesn't?

Nyjacky doing real work.

Wow, I feel bad for aphro >.>, akali + diana = lulz where did adc go?"
liftlift > tsm
ZeroVirus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 00:05:17
November 25 2012 23:55 GMT
#4046
Why did Fear never coordinate a gank bot with Mid and Jungle? They were pushed forward so far and no one ever showed up, instead getting counterganked top and bursted down mid over and over. I don't get it. Why not get Aphromoo on Draven fed?

Edit: Lol, Curse has so many shields they don't need minions to tank the turrets. I don't see how Fear can come back from this.
Fear not your most outspoken enemy, but your most quiet supporter.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 26 2012 00:00 GMT
#4047
On November 26 2012 08:19 TheYango wrote:
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On November 26 2012 08:10 Requizen wrote:
I wonder if we'll see Catalyst on tanky junglers every now and then. Pseudo-sustain via the leveling passive, and then make it an Ohmwrecker for pretty decent Armor and towerdiving prowess. Of course, not as good of an Armor option as FH/Omen, but it's a way to pretty well fuck over tower-hugging passive players.

On the other hand, by the time you get it, you might be at the point where your tanky champs can just ignore the tower anyway, leaving it with just a small window where you can start to afford it and towers are still scary.

Ohmwrecker looks to be a snowball item. The baseline cost-effectiveness isn't that good and the active does nothing in jungle or defensive fights. It makes it harder for the enemy to defend towers but is useless when you're defending.


Also, junglers don't finish 3k gold items during the laning phase, so the question of how good it is during ganks is irrelevant.

True, but it can still disincentivize clg.eu style tower turtles in the early teamfight stages. So maybe not on the jungler (or only on one that's farming), and then only on specific teamcomps/against specific teamcomps. I just think it's a neat item.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 00:08:35
November 26 2012 00:05 GMT
#4048
Minor weird thing I noticed while watching the TSM Weekly, but I can't figure out why they have the players lined up the way they do. Their scoreboard is:
ADC
Mid
Top
Jungler
Support

The standard way of making the players match up with their lanes makes more sense:
Top
Junger
Mid
ADC
Support


Just weird, wondered why the decided to change it up. I guess I've gotten used to it since other major tournaments do it that way so I find myself looking at the wrong place and having to double take after being confused as to why the jungler has Deathcap.

Edit: Looking at it again I guess it's in order of farm priority, but I still think it's way less intuitive than matching it up with the lanes.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 26 2012 00:21 GMT
#4049
flask is What you NEED to build on supports. Its the sustain that you are looking for. I'm telling you ohmwrecker will be core on supports moving forward. its the end all be all support item that being said I see a lot of supports getting cata and only upgrading to ohm late game ish when seiges become a thing.

The item overhaul solves a lot of ryze's problems I think but it still doesn't make up for his horribad lane phase. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him make a return in bot lane with a support if teams send an adc mid for farm and a tanky top.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#4050
On November 25 2012 10:20 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 10:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 25 2012 08:18 TheYango wrote:
On November 25 2012 08:05 HazMat wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Ranked 5's isn't competetive because no one plays it. It's covered in bronze and silver players who think they are much better than they are. All of the professional teams are covered in players who are also extremely high solo queue elo players. Professional teams players not being high elo is the exception, not the rule.

edit: incase anyone is confused, the correlation is between professional teams and high elo, not the other way around. If you are on a 5's team that "is really good" but your solo queue elo isn't raising, you aren't as good as you think.

Yeah, I don't care how long you've been playing and how great your teamwork is but a team of sub 2k Elo players will never beat a team of 5 random top solo queuers, let alone a real team like CLG or TSM.

I don't think anyone is actually trying to say that?


I can't say whether that's what guitar is trying to convey in this discussion but I'm absolutely certain he thinks it.

On November 25 2012 08:19 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Rengar needs to be nerfed. If anyone has played against him top lane, he is fucking absurd. His passive needs a cooldown. His cd's need to either be increased or their power decreased. But he either one shots things or is completely worthless, there is no inbetween. He's way too fucked up.


I would say the release of champs that are miserable to play against is the most likely thing to kill the game for me because eventually there's going to be too high a probability of running into a design abortion like yorick, rengar, darius etc. and I just won't want to play. These champs don't get remade nearly fast enough and they apparently aren't getting weeded out during design nearly frequently enough.


Rengar is the reason I dont really understand the "AD Assassin/Caster" QQ. What is Rengar if not just a much better version of Talon?

Actually I do have a blast playing Talon. Rengar? Not so much. Of course in the late game nothing can compare about Talon to Rengar, but since I play to have fun... also jump. Loom at the skirts of their spells' range, ready to jump to them, or just W->Q them, or bait skillshots champs with a W then walking to them so they cast some stuff that you E to dodge and walk away unharmed.
Rengar just goes top, spams W and is all "meh". Well maybe bushes aren't my thing too. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 26 2012 00:39 GMT
#4051
On November 26 2012 09:21 Sermokala wrote:
flask is What you NEED to build on supports. Its the sustain that you are looking for. I'm telling you ohmwrecker will be core on supports moving forward. its the end all be all support item that being said I see a lot of supports getting cata and only upgrading to ohm late game ish when seiges become a thing.

am I missing something because flask doesn't seem particularly supportive to me. It's in direct competition with philo for them and I probably buy less potions on support than any other role. Additionally ohmwrecker looks like scrub bait to me since it literally has no use unless you're already winning.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 26 2012 00:41 GMT
#4052
On November 26 2012 09:28 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 10:20 cLutZ wrote:
On November 25 2012 10:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 25 2012 08:18 TheYango wrote:
On November 25 2012 08:05 HazMat wrote:
On November 25 2012 07:42 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Ranked 5's isn't competetive because no one plays it. It's covered in bronze and silver players who think they are much better than they are. All of the professional teams are covered in players who are also extremely high solo queue elo players. Professional teams players not being high elo is the exception, not the rule.

edit: incase anyone is confused, the correlation is between professional teams and high elo, not the other way around. If you are on a 5's team that "is really good" but your solo queue elo isn't raising, you aren't as good as you think.

Yeah, I don't care how long you've been playing and how great your teamwork is but a team of sub 2k Elo players will never beat a team of 5 random top solo queuers, let alone a real team like CLG or TSM.

I don't think anyone is actually trying to say that?


I can't say whether that's what guitar is trying to convey in this discussion but I'm absolutely certain he thinks it.

On November 25 2012 08:19 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Rengar needs to be nerfed. If anyone has played against him top lane, he is fucking absurd. His passive needs a cooldown. His cd's need to either be increased or their power decreased. But he either one shots things or is completely worthless, there is no inbetween. He's way too fucked up.


I would say the release of champs that are miserable to play against is the most likely thing to kill the game for me because eventually there's going to be too high a probability of running into a design abortion like yorick, rengar, darius etc. and I just won't want to play. These champs don't get remade nearly fast enough and they apparently aren't getting weeded out during design nearly frequently enough.


Rengar is the reason I dont really understand the "AD Assassin/Caster" QQ. What is Rengar if not just a much better version of Talon?

Actually I do have a blast playing Talon. Rengar? Not so much. Of course in the late game nothing can compare about Talon to Rengar, but since I play to have fun... also jump. Loom at the skirts of their spells' range, ready to jump to them, or just W->Q them, or bait skillshots champs with a W then walking to them so they cast some stuff that you E to dodge and walk away unharmed.
Rengar just goes top, spams W and is all "meh". Well maybe bushes aren't my thing too. :<


I wasn't talking about funness. I was just saying, basically, that Talon is bad right now and its not a problem that encompasses an entire "class" of characters.
Freeeeeeedom
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 00:57:59
November 26 2012 00:54 GMT
#4053
Holy shit. Qtpie double kills with 5 hp without dying, aphromoo getting smashed but it was really fucking close
dominate dominating xmithie in the jungle too
edit: ok patoy got 1 kill
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 26 2012 00:55 GMT
#4054
On November 26 2012 09:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 09:21 Sermokala wrote:
flask is What you NEED to build on supports. Its the sustain that you are looking for. I'm telling you ohmwrecker will be core on supports moving forward. its the end all be all support item that being said I see a lot of supports getting cata and only upgrading to ohm late game ish when seiges become a thing.

am I missing something because flask doesn't seem particularly supportive to me. It's in direct competition with philo for them and I probably buy less potions on support than any other role. Additionally ohmwrecker looks like scrub bait to me since it literally has no use unless you're already winning.

I think a lot of supports are going to open flask and wards. I wouldn't mind picking up a few potions on supports but I end up spending most of my loose change on wards. Now if you buy this as your open it pays for itself after two trips back and you are able to have quicker sustain in lane.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
November 26 2012 00:55 GMT
#4055
On November 26 2012 09:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 09:21 Sermokala wrote:
flask is What you NEED to build on supports. Its the sustain that you are looking for. I'm telling you ohmwrecker will be core on supports moving forward. its the end all be all support item that being said I see a lot of supports getting cata and only upgrading to ohm late game ish when seiges become a thing.

am I missing something because flask doesn't seem particularly supportive to me. It's in direct competition with philo for them and I probably buy less potions on support than any other role. Additionally ohmwrecker looks like scrub bait to me since it literally has no use unless you're already winning.



A philo stone now has the stats of 7 health per 5 and 9 mana per 5. A flask is only 225 as well.

there are points where it would be pretty stupid to get but I do think that some comps are going to really want it. It won't hurt sitting on a 1200g cata and then upgradeing it for whatever you need.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
November 26 2012 00:56 GMT
#4056
Ohmwrecker looks like a support item to me.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 26 2012 00:58 GMT
#4057
Ohmwrecker might be useful in siege situations where you you're ahead but can't break into the high ground of an opponent's base. Maybe in a dual-assassin comp where there's no one to tank tower and your AD can't risk taking potshots on the tower and they other team has good wave clear?
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 26 2012 01:02 GMT
#4058
3 dodges in a row at the last second. This game is so fun.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#4059
seeing dignitas rape fear so much makes me really sad that theyre not at iplz
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 26 2012 01:03 GMT
#4060
On November 26 2012 09:54 OutlaW- wrote:
Holy shit. Qtpie double kills with 5 hp without dying, aphromoo getting smashed but it was really fucking close
dominate dominating xmithie in the jungle too
edit: ok patoy got 1 kill

qt is the best. Aphromoo is just popular.
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