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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 24 2012 10:04 GMT
#3721
On November 24 2012 18:19 HazMat wrote:
All of our Elo Hell discussion points put into a cute video. Now we can lay the topic to rest once and for all (I hope.)



absolutely true that most people don't play to get better either through stupidity or being unable to identify the holes in their game
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 24 2012 10:05 GMT
#3722
On November 24 2012 18:50 Celial wrote:
lol what

also, almost 23k people watching live on stream how joe miller got his head shaved - for reaching 20k twitter followers or smth

Edit: Oh its rebroadcast apparently from yesterday. Still 23.5k viewers tho.

It's live. They've been tweeting about it all day.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 10:09:17
November 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#3723
this game is crazy diving inhib turrets at 7minute WTF
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#3724
even better when its live! poor zekent always dead =(
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 24 2012 11:14 GMT
#3725
wow seeing katarina rape everything like that makes me want to puke
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 11:21:49
November 24 2012 11:21 GMT
#3726
Better nerf Irelia
3.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
November 24 2012 11:22 GMT
#3727
On November 24 2012 18:19 HazMat wrote:
All of our Elo Hell discussion points put into a cute video. Now we can lay the topic to rest once and for all (I hope.)

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MTO2a7ZFcc


Judging from the youtube comments, that doesn't seem like the case at all.
wat
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#3728
Use the IEM Singapore thread, guys.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 12:04:04
November 24 2012 11:46 GMT
#3729
Forget that, I'm not happy with how I present things in english.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 24 2012 12:21 GMT
#3730
They should really add a counter to phoenix proc to Udyr, would be so helpful sometimes
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 24 2012 12:22 GMT
#3731
On November 24 2012 20:46 WhiteDog wrote:
Forget that, I'm not happy with how I present things in english.


i liked what you had to say
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
November 24 2012 13:10 GMT
#3732
On November 24 2012 08:46 EquilasH wrote:
Btw, does anyone want a DotA2 invite? I don't know how Steam works, but it looks like I have 3 Dota2 keys.

Thanks mate!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 24 2012 14:03 GMT
#3733
On November 24 2012 18:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
I hear he's mediocre.

I hear NeoIllusions makes promises to carry people and then gets crushed top lane by a mediocre Riven and feeds all game.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
November 24 2012 14:22 GMT
#3734
On November 24 2012 22:10 TSBspartacus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 08:46 EquilasH wrote:
Btw, does anyone want a DotA2 invite? I don't know how Steam works, but it looks like I have 3 Dota2 keys.

Thanks mate!


If anyone else is interested, I have 2 DotA 2 keys to spare, toss me a PM if you want them.

On the Elohell thing, I really thought we already know this. The chance of baddies or trolls appearing on your team is lower, if you yourself are actually better than the people at your elo. If you think yourself stuck at an elo (winning and losing an equal amount of games), start thinking about how you might not be as good as you think. The whole idea of elo is that people who have an equal amount of skill get matched up with eachother.

Also, these people would qq way more about unfairness if somehow they would get matched up with people way above their elo. Because they don't see the things people who are better at the game do as an avenue for improvement.

I've slowly increased my elo over time in S2 from ~1300 to ~1500 just by increasing map awareness and practicing mechanics. If I were to fully focus on getting better, no doubt I could get a way higher elo.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
November 24 2012 14:29 GMT
#3735
that 44% vs 56% thing is bullshit because if you're complaining about elo then you're the guaranteed baddie on the team

true story 100% of the time
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
November 24 2012 14:34 GMT
#3736
The single biggest reason people "are stuck in elo hell" is because they simply belong at their current elo. People need something to blame for their poor elo, so they blame their team.
Wrath 2.1
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany880 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 15:02:41
November 24 2012 14:51 GMT
#3737
On November 24 2012 23:29 greggy wrote:
that 44% vs 56% thing is bullshit because if you're complaining about elo then you're the guaranteed baddie on the team

true story 100% of the time


agreed.

Most games use the elo system and in no game I ve ever played did the players complain about it, until lol.
Blaming the calculation system for your win/loss rate is beyond rediculous.

I get often insult my team, and I flame much as well, I know that when I flame I will probably lose. That's why it's an extreme difference for me between trying to win and just playing (which will end up in a flame war).

When someone suggests me an item or a (jungle) route I'll ingnore him, when someone screams at me "omg noc so bad item" we'll have a nice flame war all game.

This is what costs me games, and I can not blame the elo system for approving of my advanced flame skillz.


When I want to win, I will ignore all comments that include words like: noob, bad, wrong etc. and only say gj, n1 mate, wp team (never with ironic intention).
Long post, you should be aware of your attitude when you play games, sometimes flaming can be fun, it won't raise your elo tho (:

/ and yeah I know most players on tl know that, sc has elo system since decades so np here.
The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 24 2012 15:03 GMT
#3738
On November 24 2012 23:29 greggy wrote:
that 44% vs 56% thing is bullshit because if you're complaining about elo then you're the guaranteed baddie on the team

true story 100% of the time

I like how the video goes "HINT HINT" in big letters on the screen while he says "if you're never the reason your team loses..."

The fact is you only need to be the reason 20% of the time and you won't ever climb out.


And people will always find something to blame in any ranked game. "rofl 9 pool learn 2 macro" "lol banshees what a scrub" "garchomp OP"
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
November 24 2012 15:13 GMT
#3739
So, after he has been out for a while now, what are your opinions on Zed? Do you guys max E or Q?
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
November 24 2012 15:13 GMT
#3740
To be fair garchomp is kind of broke
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