EPTI have been informed that with enough community interest, we can make this happen, so I'm reaching out to those of you in the League of Legends subforum, please make this possible. All you have to do right now is post in this thread, if there's enough support I'd ask all of you to please help us out by editing the wiki when it's made live. None of the wikis on TL can get by without community support end editing.
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drazak
United States479 Posts
I have been informed that with enough community interest, we can make this happen, so I'm reaching out to those of you in the League of Legends subforum, please make this possible. All you have to do right now is post in this thread, if there's enough support I'd ask all of you to please help us out by editing the wiki when it's made live. None of the wikis on TL can get by without community support end editing. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Purpl3
United States1067 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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XiVol
Wales74 Posts
But now that we have leaguepedia it doesn't really matter as much since it's functions fine. If TL decides to add a league wiki then it would be very nice, but it won't be as promising an opportunity for them now that leaguepedia is up and running. It'd be nice to see a TL lol team but I really doubt that will happen, not before a Dota2 team anyhow. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I gauged interest about 5-6 months ago and the turnout didn't suffice. | ||
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 02 2012 21:54 Vequeth wrote: Dont fix what aint broke. Well, that's not the issue here. Leaguepedia is in a good place but they still have a ton to improve upon. If there were enough interest to fuel a TL project, I'd start one. But frankly, there isn't atm. | ||
salle
Sweden5554 Posts
This is in part because Leaguepedia and Liquipedia have the same license so we can potentially copy everything but images from each other, (this is why Leaguepedia looks so much like Liquipedia, they've copied a lot, rather than build everything from scratch). | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
I could/would update the korean news for this | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki I havn't seen another link to it | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
Hey Chexx, I'd love it if you could help out. :D | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On November 02 2012 23:20 Sermokala wrote: leaguepedia is really a dirty hack of what liquipedia is. I'm pretty happy with their service and as long as they keep it up I think It'll fill our needs just fine. http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki I havn't seen another link to it They are not so up to date as the liquipedia. The information is sometimes really late. | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 03 2012 04:19 ExoFun wrote: They are not so up to date as the liquipedia. The information is sometimes really late. That's largely for lack of contribution. Unless you have some big beef with the admins on Leaguepedia, contributing to Leaguepedia would largely produce the same result as starting a Liquipedia LoL section, without the overhead of having to re-build a ton of things from scratch. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 03 2012 05:14 drazak wrote: Not sure if you didn't read Salle's post TheYango, but there'd be very little to do from scratch, infact, most of leaguepedia was lifted (legally) from us. I mean, you'd still more or less have to copy it back and re-format it to be in line with Liquipedia's general formatting. It'd still be extra work for the sake of reinventing the wheel, since you could just contribute to Leaguepedia. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 03 2012 05:20 drazak wrote: I don't find some of the choices that leaguepedia has made palatable, they take unsourced and unsubstantiated information as fact, and a lot of times they ignore the smaller tournaments. That's a fair reason to want a fresh start I guess. Like I said "beef with the Leaguepedia admins". | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
! However I also think TL needs an official LoL section like DoTA. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 02 2012 23:00 Beyonder wrote: Think TL first has to give LoL the same position dota has before this can happen. Right now, we're just a forum way down, which has its up side too One day, Beyonder. One day! | ||
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LasTLiE
United States428 Posts
On November 03 2012 05:20 drazak wrote: I don't find some of the choices that leaguepedia has made palatable, they take unsourced and unsubstantiated information as fact, and a lot of times they ignore the smaller tournaments. We try to source as much information as possible, but sometimes a source just doesn't exist. For things like player transfers to/from teams, we do what we can but a lot of teams never make official announcements. Quite often we end up trying to get in contact with the teams or players to get a general idea of who was on the team when, and really that's the best that could be done for now. As for smaller tournaments, we do our best to cover as much as possible, but some things do slip through the cracks. There isn't a huge number of regular contributors. Generally we try to make sure pages are made/updating for anything listed on the esports calander, but some stuff still slips by us. It's something we're constantly trying to improve upon with each event. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
And then there are other things to consider when a new project like this pops up. LP Dota 2 took a while to get off the ground and there were some negative reaction from some LP contributors when they were first asked to help. This is because they felt like they were out of the loop with the inception of the project and didn't get a say in starting such a wiki (not that they should). They couldn't say all that much after that since TL decided to pick up Dota 2. Now we throw in a game like LoL where there is considerable contempt (?) from the overall community and it isn't officially covered by TL. So while TL coverage isn't necessarily a requirement, it makes things a lot messier. And just so you know, http://wiki.teamliquid.net/lol/Main_Page did exist at some point....it was basically empty though. edit: fine, fine salle. There could be interest. | ||
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Leaguepedia exists, and while not perfect, it gets the job done more than adequately. Creating a second one that improves upon an existing one to some minor degree honestly makes it seem like some sort of petty feud. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On November 04 2012 11:44 drazak wrote: I definitely have no feud with LasTLiE, I think he's a great guy. I don't think our own would be "just so much better", I think we could do it really well, we have a fairly high standard of quality and content at liquipedia, and I feel like a having a wiki that would combine what's on leaguepedia and what can be found on the wikia would be a great first step for bringing league of legends more clearly into the team liquid community. i'm kinda confused by the motivations behind a LoL liquipedia. It seems to me like the reason you want one is that you are essentially looking at this like a TL community project to try and make LoL more acceptable within TL, and in any case, I don't really think TL has either a responsibility or necessity to really embrace LoL like they do sc2, bw or dota2. Honestly, I'm having a really hard time seeing how any of the problems you listed about leaguepedia wouldn't be fixed by recruiting more contributors and/or fact-checkers. I (like several others who have posted here) kinda fail to see how making a brand new TL wiki for league would really bring anything new to the table and would be worth more effort than just trying to fix something that already exists. I think the only reason TL would have any interest in trying to muscle in on Leaguepedia's turf would be if they wanted to become a central hub for all esports related media (to be a brand like espn or something), but as it is, the TL staff don't seem to be terribly interested in covering LoL atm. Aside from our lovely, if small, LoL subforum staff of course. | ||
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juked
United States691 Posts
All in due time | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
It would not be a TL only project instead it would be like a coop project between leaguepedia and TL. We would not reinvent the wheel and would not offend some hardcore LoL haters from the TL community. Our LoL staff could get more exposure for their work they do, we would improve leagupedia, advertise TL and everybody would be happy. ----- I thought curse bought leaguepedia a while ago? Helping hands should not be a issue I think?! | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:44 Chexx wrote: Since Lastlie is active on this forum. Why not help him out? We can still add a TL logo to leaguepedia. It would not be a TL only project instead it would be like a coop project between leaguepedia and TL. We would not reinvent the wheel and would not offend some hardcore LoL haters from the TL community. Our LoL staff could get more exposure for their work they do, we would improve leagupedia, advertise TL and everybody would be happy. ----- I thought curse bought leaguepedia a while ago? Helping hands should not be a issue I think?! This would be my preferred route. No sense in butting heads with something that is already there and does a good job. Collaboration and cooperation would be more successful imo. Contact them and see if they would be interested in any type of joint venture. If they want quality input from some kind of partnership with teamliquid, then awesome. If not, then just contribute to the site yourself. | ||
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OlSpiced
Austria96 Posts
I follow the SC2 pro scene (obviously) and play LoL, so i am watching some LoL games from Major tournaments. And if there was LoL coverage on my preffered SC2 site i can see myself getting into it even more. But i still don't see why we should make our own wiki when our manpower is that limited and we could achieve way more if we help Leaguepedia. A cooperation, like mentioned above, would be ideal. Put the Leaguepedia link to our wikis and all are happy. Leaguepedia probably get's more traffic and more help, and we have a wiki, not one for us alone but sharing is caring. And well from there it's only a small step to the LoL coverage i would love to see on here  | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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rainfable
United States171 Posts
On November 02 2012 23:00 Beyonder wrote: Think TL first has to give LoL the same position dota has before this can happen. Right now, we're just a forum way down, which has its up side too ^ right now TL is starcraft and dota-focused - it doesn't really make sense for our community to support a full wiki for a game TL doesn't really advocate, as well as the merging with curse that might make things a tad more complicated. :/ however if we ever do decide to take in league like we have dota and this actually comes through, i would be willing to devote time and effort to help in any way i can. =) | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
An easy to access and navigate collection of team information, W/L stats, and *most importantly* VODs. Think about how many "lost" BW VODs there are...thankfully LoL is still quite young. I think we should all group together and ensure that any and all VODs are found, preserved, and easily accessible. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On November 07 2012 08:06 nojitosunrise wrote: instead of trying to make a liquidpedia for LoL why not we all get together and create a TLPD like system for LoL? An easy to access and navigate collection of team information, W/L stats, and *most importantly* VODs. Think about how many "lost" BW VODs there are...thankfully LoL is still quite young. I think we should all group together and ensure that any and all VODs are found, preserved, and easily accessible. Do people actually watch VODs? I sure as hell don't watch games I missed unless someone says OMFG THAT GAME WAS AWESOME cause hour long pick/ban stage + games are just zzzzzzz. Then you run into the problem of having to pay for certain VODs from certain tournaments because all they seem to want is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Good idea, but not sure about feasibility. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
GG Copyright infringement. | ||
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On November 09 2012 06:46 salle wrote: If you want to start a VOD database you can make a rudimentary one in google docs spreadsheet if you want to make a proof of concept which people can actually use. I suck at making google docs so if someone sets one up I would definitely help out in populating it. | ||
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