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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 02 2012 21:00 GMT
#3761
On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 05:18 Celial wrote:
On November 03 2012 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Positioning is not mechanics. Efficient kiting is.


Almost as exciting as SK Terran. Almost.

I spent like an entire minute trying to press my phone's screen wondering why an awesome VoD of like WeiXiao or Fantasy wasn't loading.

You make me sad.

Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build?

I picked Viktor last game, it was AD or jungle and I didn't feel like playing Sivir against Cait (only other AD I play in ranked is Ez and he was banned). First pick Shen instantly calls gg because "Viktor sucks", "Viktor is bad", "cba read, tl;dr Viktor sucks".
Well we had bad opponents (read: I outfarmed and outroamed and sometimes killed Lux and he could 1v1 the enemy Jax even post-6, both match-ups that were against us) but I ended up wrecking the enemy team every teamfight, 12-4-8 (off 26 team kills) and melting anyone who tried to dive our carry. And when in post-game chat I ask him if Viktor is that bad, he just blames it on Lux. :<

Oh well, some more underestimating of my favorite shuffler can't be bad. That game made me notice that even with a superb farmer like him roaming puts a dent into my cs.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#3762
I just lost a co-op bot game. Shoot me now.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 02 2012 21:04 GMT
#3763
On November 03 2012 06:02 Numy wrote:
I just lost a co-op bot game. Shoot me now.

Was there an Annie Bot atleast?
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 21:05:32
November 02 2012 21:05 GMT
#3764
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
November 02 2012 21:12 GMT
#3765
On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<


The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 02 2012 21:15 GMT
#3766
Yea I just kept killing the bots. Thinking team would just farm and own. It's like learning a new game
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 02 2012 21:23 GMT
#3767
On November 03 2012 06:12 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<


The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive.

To add to this: bots will always fall back to defend a tower instead of just pushing for the win. Split pushing is extremely strong against bots.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 02 2012 21:24 GMT
#3768
On November 03 2012 06:23 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 06:12 Morfildur wrote:
On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<


The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive.

To add to this: bots will always fall back to defend a tower instead of just pushing for the win. Split pushing is extremely strong against bots.

Or you know, just killing them and winning.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#3769
It is possible to play 1v5 against bots without buying a single item. Usually when the players lose against bots it is because some of the players fed the bots.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 02 2012 21:30 GMT
#3770
Just read Zed's lore. Incoming bonus quest for killing shen.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#3771
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#3772
On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven

Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#3773
On November 03 2012 06:27 Sufficiency wrote:
It is possible to play 1v5 against bots without buying a single item. Usually when the players lose against bots it is because some of the players fed the bots.


I routinely go legendary on Doran's Blade Garen. Best build, finished at 0:01.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
November 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#3774
On November 03 2012 06:00 Alaric wrote:
Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build?

That crazy building float into 10 min delayed GG was some crazy micro!

On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 05:05 kainzero wrote:
but i dunno, i think terms like "positioning" and "mechanics" are really just these vague terms that everyone uses and loosely understands, but they aren't really clearly defined and everyone has their own definition.

it reminds me of people saying to work on your "fundamentals" in basketball. or fighting games.

I'm curious. What kind of terminology would you guys like to see being used more and what kind of stuff used less? Looking for feedback and ideas on how to approach article writing in the future.

(I totally forgot to send a PM asking to be part of the writing team when you asked me to... whoops)

The funny thing about using umbrella terms like "mechanics" is that even though they are vaguely defined they are still well understood. No matter which way you argue about what it truly means, it's efficient to call WeiXiao or Doublelift good mechanical players. Everyone understands that. There's no question.

But for in-depth analytical articles looking at specific plays or for evaluating someone and telling someone how to improve, those terms are unreliable. Saying stuff like "You need to work on positioning" is just like... wtf man. I have no idea what the hell that means. But if I show you my replay, I'm AD carry, and the AP carry used their cooldowns and walked a little too close to me, and instead of taking that opportunity to put damage on him/her, I'm hitting the tank who doesn't pose any threat to me at the moment, then we can work on something.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 21:41:27
November 02 2012 21:40 GMT
#3775
On November 03 2012 06:37 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven

Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time.


His laning phase is retardedly strong, but he falls off because his damage mechanics is hard to use in a teamfight. Also he has poor mobility and no escapes.

And oh, playing against Draven as MF is such a nightmare.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 02 2012 21:41 GMT
#3776
On November 03 2012 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 06:37 Alaric wrote:
On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven

Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time.


His laning phase is retardedly strong, but he falls off because his damage mechanics is hard to use in a teamfight. Also he has poor mobility and no escapes.

That was like the opposite of a tl;dr

ts;eu + Show Spoiler +
too succinct;expanded upon
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 02 2012 21:41 GMT
#3777
His mobility isn't poor per see, it's the fact that you need to catch axes to make it good that hinders him.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
November 02 2012 21:42 GMT
#3778
On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven


I'm not good.

But he hits like a truck. A steroid-fueled truck with a bulldozer welded to the front with blades attached, and the acceleration is jammed on full forward all the time.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 02 2012 21:46 GMT
#3779
On November 03 2012 06:00 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On November 03 2012 05:18 Celial wrote:
On November 03 2012 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Positioning is not mechanics. Efficient kiting is.


Almost as exciting as SK Terran. Almost.

I spent like an entire minute trying to press my phone's screen wondering why an awesome VoD of like WeiXiao or Fantasy wasn't loading.

You make me sad.

Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build?



At least one subforumer doesnt have alzheimers!
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
November 02 2012 22:12 GMT
#3780
Whoa.

Did Teamliquid just go down?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
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