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On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:18 Celial wrote:On November 03 2012 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Positioning is not mechanics. Efficient kiting is. Almost as exciting as SK Terran. Almost. I spent like an entire minute trying to press my phone's screen wondering why an awesome VoD of like WeiXiao or Fantasy wasn't loading. You make me sad.
Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build? 
I picked Viktor last game, it was AD or jungle and I didn't feel like playing Sivir against Cait (only other AD I play in ranked is Ez and he was banned). First pick Shen instantly calls gg because "Viktor sucks", "Viktor is bad", "cba read, tl;dr Viktor sucks".
Well we had bad opponents (read: I outfarmed and outroamed and sometimes killed Lux and he could 1v1 the enemy Jax even post-6, both match-ups that were against us) but I ended up wrecking the enemy team every teamfight, 12-4-8 (off 26 team kills) and melting anyone who tried to dive our carry. And when in post-game chat I ask him if Viktor is that bad, he just blames it on Lux. :<
Oh well, some more underestimating of my favorite shuffler can't be bad. That game made me notice that even with a superb farmer like him roaming puts a dent into my cs.
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I just lost a co-op bot game. Shoot me now.
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On November 03 2012 06:02 Numy wrote:
I just lost a co-op bot game. Shoot me now.
Was there an Annie Bot atleast?
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No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<
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On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :<
The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive.
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Yea I just kept killing the bots. Thinking team would just farm and own. It's like learning a new game
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On November 03 2012 06:12 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :< The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive.
To add to this: bots will always fall back to defend a tower instead of just pushing for the win. Split pushing is extremely strong against bots.
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On November 03 2012 06:23 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:12 Morfildur wrote:On November 03 2012 06:05 Numy wrote:
No Ryze/Galio/Nunu/Taric/Kayle. Kayle 3 shotting people. Sigh thought Bot games were quick wins, didn't realise people were this bad in them. I was like 20-1 singed too. Can't do jack lategame vs that team :< The trick is to always push where the bots are not and just kill towers and stuff while your team continues to fail against them somewhere else on the map or chases for kills instead of doing anything productive. To add to this: bots will always fall back to defend a tower instead of just pushing for the win. Split pushing is extremely strong against bots.
Or you know, just killing them and winning.
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It is possible to play 1v5 against bots without buying a single item. Usually when the players lose against bots it is because some of the players fed the bots.
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Just read Zed's lore. Incoming bonus quest for killing shen.
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so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven
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On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven
Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time.
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On November 03 2012 06:27 Sufficiency wrote:
It is possible to play 1v5 against bots without buying a single item. Usually when the players lose against bots it is because some of the players fed the bots.
I routinely go legendary on Doran's Blade Garen. Best build, finished at 0:01.
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On November 03 2012 06:00 Alaric wrote:Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build?
That crazy building float into 10 min delayed GG was some crazy micro!
On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:05 kainzero wrote:
but i dunno, i think terms like "positioning" and "mechanics" are really just these vague terms that everyone uses and loosely understands, but they aren't really clearly defined and everyone has their own definition.
it reminds me of people saying to work on your "fundamentals" in basketball. or fighting games.
I'm curious. What kind of terminology would you guys like to see being used more and what kind of stuff used less? Looking for feedback and ideas on how to approach article writing in the future.
(I totally forgot to send a PM asking to be part of the writing team when you asked me to... whoops)
The funny thing about using umbrella terms like "mechanics" is that even though they are vaguely defined they are still well understood. No matter which way you argue about what it truly means, it's efficient to call WeiXiao or Doublelift good mechanical players. Everyone understands that. There's no question.
But for in-depth analytical articles looking at specific plays or for evaluating someone and telling someone how to improve, those terms are unreliable. Saying stuff like "You need to work on positioning" is just like... wtf man. I have no idea what the hell that means. But if I show you my replay, I'm AD carry, and the AP carry used their cooldowns and walked a little too close to me, and instead of taking that opportunity to put damage on him/her, I'm hitting the tank who doesn't pose any threat to me at the moment, then we can work on something.
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On November 03 2012 06:37 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time.
His laning phase is retardedly strong, but he falls off because his damage mechanics is hard to use in a teamfight. Also he has poor mobility and no escapes.
And oh, playing against Draven as MF is such a nightmare.
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On November 03 2012 06:40 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:37 Alaric wrote:On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven Stronk lane, no escapes. That's basically the gist that comes most of the time. His laning phase is retardedly strong, but he falls off because his damage mechanics is hard to use in a teamfight. Also he has poor mobility and no escapes.
That was like the opposite of a tl;dr
ts;eu + Show Spoiler +too succinct;expanded upon
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His mobility isn't poor per see, it's the fact that you need to catch axes to make it good that hinders him.
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On November 03 2012 06:35 travis wrote:
so im curious what the opinion of good players is on draven
I'm not good.
But he hits like a truck. A steroid-fueled truck with a bulldozer welded to the front with blades attached, and the acceleration is jammed on full forward all the time.
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On November 03 2012 06:00 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:35 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On November 03 2012 05:18 Celial wrote:On November 03 2012 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Positioning is not mechanics. Efficient kiting is. Almost as exciting as SK Terran. Almost. I spent like an entire minute trying to press my phone's screen wondering why an awesome VoD of like WeiXiao or Fantasy wasn't loading. You make me sad. Wait... so you're associating Fantasy with the most bio-intensive mech-less TvZ build?
At least one subforumer doesnt have alzheimers!
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Whoa.
Did Teamliquid just go down?
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