EPT[Patch 1.0.0.149: TF Update] General Discussion - Page 67
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 20 2012 18:50 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, Singed can push a top lane harder than Jax. That's not, by any means of the word, a carry in the Moba definition. It's a useful ability and it brings a lot to the table (everyone's seen how great splitpushing shen and even nidalee has been), but singed doesn't "carry" harder than Jax. That's pretty silly. That's not it at all.... I think chaox basicaly meant after you get cata you're like unkillable with singed, so you just clear waves super fast then go counterjungle and gank constantly. Thus you're applying pressure to more than your own lane, where with jax mainly just wants to farm and try to "win" his own lane because he's a lategame monster with 6 items. Singed on the other hand reaches the unkillable monster a lot quicker into the game so can do more for his own team in that timeperiod before jax even reaches his "oh shit" level of power. Carrying has nothing to do with doing a lot of damage. Supports can carry, even if they get no kills and do little to no damage. On October 20 2012 19:23 TheKefka wrote: Froggen building ap in soloq,how is that even fair :< Depends if it's on Lee Sin or not  P | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 20 2012 21:37 Irave wrote: The Lulu thread doesn't have many recent posts. Was curious about thoughts on her, from the support role. Chauster says she's op,but than again chauster says a lot. She's really good in dive comps,with diana,malphite,etc. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 21:43 TheKefka wrote: Chauster says she's op,but than again chauster says a lot. She's really good in dive comps,with diana,malphite,etc. Oddly, her win % in ranked is pretty low, esp. for silver and gold. I think she isn't that bad and pro teams do use her often... probably just one of those champions who doesn't really do well in soloQ. I think she is the polar opposite of Taric right now. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11829 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Her Q has an often suprisingly long range for poking with also a nice slow for catching/disengaging. Her W is perfect in teamfights. Her Ult is great for diving once you poked the opponents low enough. She is one of those champs that is great in organised teams but weak in soloQ. Just my personal opinion though. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On October 20 2012 22:30 Morfildur wrote: I think Lulu is great for specific compositions, for example the extreme poke combo that CLG.eu used, compositions that are rarely used in soloQ because of the coordination required. Her Q has an often suprisingly long range for poking with also a nice slow for catching/disengaging. Her W is perfect in teamfights. Her Ult is great for diving once you poked the opponents low enough. She is one of those champs that is great in organised teams but weak in soloQ. Just my personal opinion though. It's true. With shield and ult, Lulu is great at baiting, which takes way more coordination than engaging with a point and click stun. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Morgana is still banned for no reason, and Amumu is making a comeback. When I'm first pick I just bait out all of the bans I can from the other team though. On October 20 2012 17:54 Parnage wrote: My biggest problem with new TF: How the hell does he know a Spanish word like Andele? Does this mean League lore is now officially part of a multi-verse with summoners from both Runeterra and Earth? Does Runeterra just have a Spanish speaking group someplace that Twisted fate hung out with? I am over thinking this but I can't help it. My geek self demands to make connections and sense of things I shouldn't question. What if English was the language used to convey the main idiom spoken in Runeterra, so Spanish was used to represent another language spoken in that world, be it a sub-culture, a dialect, gipsies (TF is kinda one, right?) or anything? Valoran itself doesn't have to speak a single language. On October 20 2012 13:24 ticklishmusic wrote: supports i can play: soraka nidalee taric leona morgana lulu supports i can't play sona  is sona just bad against blitz? Alistar is lacking on that list. He used to be my most played supporrt btw, but now it seems I dunno how he should be played anymore. It's hard to get off a good pulv without using headbutt or flash (maybe I should use MS quints and buy early boots?) as he doesn't have Leona's or Blitz's tools to start a fight. Well WQ is always possible but then I feel disarmed since all of my shit is on 10+s cd and I don't know what to do apart from autoing and bodyblocking. Last time it was against a Sona. My AD carry was arguably terrible (he was Ezreal, theirs was Ashe) and had I aligned on him he'd have let Sona take control of our bush and poke us freely while he'd only expect me to be his heal bot, but I didn't seem to be able to do much once they had their bush warded. I couldn't zone them (Ez staying in the back meant I'd lose most of my hp before reaching a bush to Ashe's slow; I died once trying to give him breathing room because they had all bushes warded and could keep chasing) but I couldn't either repel them. Is it Ali being very susceptible to poke lanes/Sona in general, or does he require his AD to play aggressive to be able to do anything? I feel like I don't know how to play him anymore. x_x Or people just aren't used to him. I have no idea how to play Janna either, I feel I can't do much apart from disengaging when the other lane tries to play aggro, and that she lacks pressure. Maybe it's normal and that's why she's seen as weak in lane, but I don't pick her in case it is false and I'm just terrible at her. On October 20 2012 23:14 cLutZ wrote: Can someone explain this odd new pink ward meta trend? I just just jungling 2 games in a row, and like 50% of the wards I've cleared were pinks. No Eve/Twitch/Rengar in the game either. Dunno if it's a meta or something, but a pink ward top has always been very strong if you know where the enemy laner wards (esp. if he does it into the river rather than the tribrush), since it only costs you 50 more and you deny him vision as good as if your jungler had an oracle (and top is the lane that backs the least, or at least it seems to me). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 20 2012 23:23 Alaric wrote: I ban Jayce, Malphite, mainly. Ezreal for the sake of variety. Alistar jungle/Eve aren't too played at my Elo so I can get away with not banning them. Rengar/Shen I can deal with if they're picked top. Morgana is still banned for no reason, and Amumu is making a comeback. When I'm first pick I just bait out all of the bans I can from the other team though. What if English was the language used to convey the main idiom spoken in Runeterra, so Spanish was used to represent another language spoken in that world, be it a sub-culture, a dialect, gipsies (TF is kinda one, right?) or anything? Valoran itself doesn't have to speak a single language. Alistar is lacking on that list. He used to be my most played supporrt btw, but now it seems I dunno how he should be played anymore. It's hard to get off a good pulv without using headbutt or flash (maybe I should use MS quints and buy early boots?) as he doesn't have Leona's or Blitz's tools to start a fight. Well WQ is always possible but then I feel disarmed since all of my shit is on 10+s cd and I don't know what to do apart from autoing and bodyblocking. Last time it was against a Sona. My AD carry was arguably terrible (he was Ezreal, theirs was Ashe) and had I aligned on him he'd have let Sona take control of our bush and poke us freely while he'd only expect me to be his heal bot, but I didn't seem to be able to do much once they had their bush warded. I couldn't zone them (Ez staying in the back meant I'd lose most of my hp before reaching a bush to Ashe's slow; I died once trying to give him breathing room because they had all bushes warded and could keep chasing) but I couldn't either repel them. Is it Ali being very susceptible to poke lanes/Sona in general, or does he require his AD to play aggressive to be able to do anything? I feel like I don't know how to play him anymore. x_x Or people just aren't used to him. I have no idea how to play Janna either, I feel I can't do much apart from disengaging when the other lane tries to play aggro, and that she lacks pressure. Maybe it's normal and that's why she's seen as weak in lane, but I don't pick her in case it is false and I'm just terrible at her. Dunno if it's a meta or something, but a pink ward top has always been very strong if you know where the enemy laner wards (esp. if he does it into the river rather than the tribrush), since it only costs you 50 more and you deny him vision as good as if your jungler had an oracle (and top is the lane that backs the least, or at least it seems to me). I only asked because I cleared a bunch in the midlane sidebrushes. Also, I used to play Janna vs. Aggro supports and "outscale" for teamfights. I don't think that that is true anymore, especially vs. blitz who would be strong at 60 minutes with 0 gold and only level 2. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
You can harass the sustainless lane down as long as you don't let them grab you (this goes for Sona v Leona, too, but that's even harder because Leona can grab while you're behind creeps and I think she has a wider projectile) and force a hard engage instead of a harass/poke war. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Rengar, Jayce, Ezreal, Evelynn, (whatever I feel like) Shen is definitely strong, but not worth banning imo. Champs like Malphite and Jax and Irelia and Yorick are all equally/almost equally strong in different areas imo. Alistar isn't a good jungler at all and he isn't a top support either, he's a counterpick at best. On October 20 2012 20:10 EquilasH wrote: You won't get me to stop banning Skarner! Sorry for giving you nightmares. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On October 20 2012 23:51 Scip wrote: On topic of banning in soloQ, these are my priorities: Rengar, Jayce, Ezreal, Evelynn, (whatever I feel like) Shen is definitely strong, but not worth banning imo. Champs like Malphite and Jax and Irelia and Yorick are all equally/almost equally strong in different areas imo. Alistar isn't a good jungler at all and he isn't a top support either, he's a counterpick at best. Sorry for giving you nightmares. My banning philosophy is to ban the champions my teammates want banned so they don't whine in game about the OP champ I didn't ban. Except I refuse to ban Ali because if my team needs a support he is the only support i enjoy playing. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 21 2012 00:27 petered wrote: My banning philosophy is to ban the champions my teammates want banned so they don't whine in game about the OP champ I didn't ban. Except I refuse to ban Ali because if my team needs a support he is the only support i enjoy playing. I refuse to ban morgana because I like playing morg, and crush other morgs who pick her cus "shes OP". | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On October 20 2012 21:37 Irave wrote: The Lulu thread doesn't have many recent posts. Was curious about thoughts on her, from the support role. i honestly don't think she loses to anybody. she has a lot of utility and she's pretty well balanced. i don't think she'll straight up win against anybody either, but you have an incredible amount of versatility. you can go for poke damage, you can spec towards passive, you can hex. her ulti is also really useful though you have to decide whether to health boost someone or to knockup, both of which are pretty strong. i wish she was a tad faster but you can't have everything. really fun to play once you get used to her kit. i know everyone bans eve and that she needs nerfs but man, i really like her style of play. the roam and gank really opens up the game imo. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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