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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 29 2012 17:49 GMT
#781
WW with a good jungle clear would be a complete terror. This can not be allowed.
Freeeeeeedom
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
September 29 2012 17:50 GMT
#782
On September 30 2012 02:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:44 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen

Vayne,


Also Poppy and Trundle.

Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.


What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage.

Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.


Explosive Shot (Passive): Enemies explode when slain by Tristana's basic attacks, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies.


Wrong Yordle.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
September 29 2012 17:51 GMT
#783
On September 30 2012 02:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:44 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen

Vayne,


Also Poppy and Trundle.

Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.


What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage.

Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.


Explosive Shot (Passive): Enemies explode when slain by Tristana's basic attacks, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies.


That's Tristana not Poppy :p
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 29 2012 17:51 GMT
#784
On September 30 2012 02:49 cLutZ wrote:
WW with a good jungle clear would be a complete terror. This can not be allowed.

Naa,just up the cd on his ult and lower the cd on his W and he'd be fine.
Cackle™
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 29 2012 17:55 GMT
#785
On September 29 2012 21:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.


Leona is great in solo queue, she's just not popular because she's a lot more difficult to play correctly than other supports.


Leona's win % in solo queue will disagree with you on this. In fact her % is pretty abysmal.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 29 2012 17:56 GMT
#786
On September 30 2012 02:49 cLutZ wrote:
WW with a good jungle clear would be a complete terror. This can not be allowed.


But we already have this. He is called Skarnar.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 29 2012 18:00 GMT
#787
On September 30 2012 02:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.


Leona is great in solo queue, she's just not popular because she's a lot more difficult to play correctly than other supports.


Leona's win % in solo queue will disagree with you on this. In fact her % is pretty abysmal.

In fact that doesn't disagree with it at all. It's further evidence that people try her in solo queue, struggle because it's hard to play her with someone else having no communication, and lose.

Meanwhile you see actual good Leonas and they shit on everything because she has so much control and added damage to the team.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#788
On September 30 2012 03:00 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 21:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.


Leona is great in solo queue, she's just not popular because she's a lot more difficult to play correctly than other supports.


Leona's win % in solo queue will disagree with you on this. In fact her % is pretty abysmal.

In fact that doesn't disagree with it at all. It's further evidence that people try her in solo queue, struggle because it's hard to play her with someone else having no communication, and lose.

Meanwhile you see actual good Leonas and they shit on everything because she has so much control and added damage to the team.


People don't try Rumble, Zyra, and Skarnar in soloQ at all.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
September 29 2012 18:11 GMT
#789
On September 30 2012 01:40 Alaric wrote:
Na I mean playing WW, not playing against him. Since he's easily ganked and can't trade too often because of his mana costs, and we've got several champs with good sustain, low mana costs (if not manaless) and other stuff in that vein, I'm wondering if there's a point in playing him top currently.


I still feel hes a great champion, but he is nowhere near mobile enough when you compare him to the current champs. Hes not an Irelia, a Jayce, or a Mundo. He would be awesome if his movement speed buff didn't rely on situational stuffs, and his ult is still ridiculously strong.

He was designed well (imo) but mobility champs are simply outclassing him to hell. And everyone knows hes not a good jungler overall, since he can't do shit pre-6.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 29 2012 18:21 GMT
#790
On September 30 2012 02:51 Zhiroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:48 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:44 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen

Vayne,


Also Poppy and Trundle.

Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.


What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage.

Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.


Explosive Shot (Passive): Enemies explode when slain by Tristana's basic attacks, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies.


That's Tristana not Poppy :p

All yordles look the same to me. =]
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
September 29 2012 18:24 GMT
#791
On September 30 2012 02:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:44 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:
On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen

Vayne,


Also Poppy and Trundle.

Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.


What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage.

Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.


Explosive Shot (Passive): Enemies explode when slain by Tristana's basic attacks, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies.


You sir, just derped so hard my face is glued to my palm.

"Poppy splash" - Tristana's basic attacks.

Poppy is notorious for being one of the worst farmers in the game - because she has no splash and no ranged skills (That is lucky considering how hard she scales with farm). Same goes for Trundle.

Shen at least have ashort range on his damage skill. WW kinda has range too (although really short) on hungering strike.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 29 2012 18:33 GMT
#792
On September 30 2012 02:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 02:49 cLutZ wrote:
WW with a good jungle clear would be a complete terror. This can not be allowed.


But we already have this. He is called Skarnar.


I feel that WW has stronger lategame potential than Skarner, hes one of those champs that's only real weakness in jungle is the rubbish earlygame. If he could clear well he'd be like Skarner + Jax.
Freeeeeeedom
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 29 2012 18:39 GMT
#793
On September 30 2012 02:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.


Leona is great in solo queue, she's just not popular because she's a lot more difficult to play correctly than other supports.


Leona's win % in solo queue will disagree with you on this. In fact her % is pretty abysmal.


Whenever i play Leona, the main problem i have is that people don't follow my initiation, especially in early lane.
With blitzcrank it's easy, you pull the target right in front of their nose. With leonas stun they actually have to react fast as soon as they see your line thing (i'm bad with skill names).

If you are on skype, vent, TS or whatever, then you can say "stunning X" and your AD has time to prepare. She's one of those champions that get 10 times as strong with good coordination - something that doesn't exist in soloQ.

Then again, i'm a scrub, maybe i'm doing it wrong.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23351 Posts
September 29 2012 18:41 GMT
#794
or just ping target
or just dont go for a skillshot if your ad is not in position
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
September 29 2012 18:46 GMT
#795
On September 29 2012 02:50 kaykaykay wrote:
Hey guys. how's everybody doing, kaykaykay here.
I've recently started playing LoL again, after a really long break where i was 29.
Just ding lvl 30 yesterday.

I'm thinking of buying a new champ.
I play a lot of leblanc because i like to roam about the map, particularly to places opponents wont even imagine and snipe them off 1v1 like a true assassin.


However the problem i feel with leblanc is that she falls of pretty much the moment she can't 1 shot anybody.
a good leblanc cannot afford to farm, she has to be picking off people all the time, something i'm sadly not skilled enough to handle.
And in team fights where I've done all my spells, and i've this big window thinking "hmms..., so what do i do now." ( while waiting for my cooldowns to come back up )

So i've decided on these champions
ahri / diana / akali (?)
because i feel that you can afford to farm, and contribute to team fights better.

Therefore which champion do you think i should get? Feel free to recomend me something you think i'd like.
he or she should have high mobility and can kill something and get out fine before anyone on the opposing team can react.

Thank you.



Hey guys, i've tried eve like what someone suggested n oh yeah she's fun.
kept me awake for like an extra 8 hours.

so anyway, everyone seems to feel that ahri doesn't have much of a weakness and is probably the better buy over diana.
Does anyone feels that diana has an advantage over ahri?
excluding banning frequency.
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 18:49:38
September 29 2012 18:49 GMT
#796
I vsed a Mundo top the other day, seemed like it could be good, but I crushed him anyway. Probably better in the jungle anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 18:51:39
September 29 2012 18:51 GMT
#797
On September 30 2012 03:49 Requizen wrote:
I vsed a Mundo top the other day, seemed like it could be good, but I crushed him anyway. Probably better in the jungle anyway.

Mundo can be pretty good top if you know what you're doing. The argument used not to run mundo top was because he'd be worthless outside of lane(TL da best).
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 29 2012 18:55 GMT
#798
Yeah, the same way a bulldozer isn't useful outside of roads I guess.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 19:03:48
September 29 2012 18:58 GMT
#799
Mundos main issue top lane is he can't really "win" lanes that hard, but it's very hard to lose a lane because of cleaver farming and ult spamming. In fact he's a great 2v1'er. The goal of lane mundo is just to get really farmed and get a super fast warmogs. None of this pussy ass spirit visage hog aegis crap I see. We're talking beastmode 4k hp regen all day mundo.

Mundos effectiveness outside of lane is inversely proportional to the amount of fucks you give. If you can't just run around and kill whatever you want in teamfights you're not farmed enough. Mundo can chase forever and has very solid sustained damage output without any damage items so you need to survive for a long time in teamfights and that's what mundos kit is based around. Being at full hp at the start of a teamfight and using mass defensive items and high hp pool to have enough hp to soak the penalty of using spells (to reap the benefits of huge base damage) and enough ehp to not be a viable focus target for the enemy team. You don't want to rely on ult to survive a burst because it's a long regen based spell and if you're getting focused ignite fucks you.

Mundo is a pretty good pick into some sort of annoying tanks that aren't massively scary later. Like a shen or something. You can push towers fast if he ults away and you can 1v1 him easily. He might even be a good pick against jayce because of ranged cleaver farming. Jayce doesn't have the sustain to tank cleavers and mundo doesn't need to trade with him.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
September 29 2012 19:00 GMT
#800
On September 30 2012 03:46 kaykaykay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 02:50 kaykaykay wrote:
Hey guys. how's everybody doing, kaykaykay here.
I've recently started playing LoL again, after a really long break where i was 29.
Just ding lvl 30 yesterday.

I'm thinking of buying a new champ.
I play a lot of leblanc because i like to roam about the map, particularly to places opponents wont even imagine and snipe them off 1v1 like a true assassin.


However the problem i feel with leblanc is that she falls of pretty much the moment she can't 1 shot anybody.
a good leblanc cannot afford to farm, she has to be picking off people all the time, something i'm sadly not skilled enough to handle.
And in team fights where I've done all my spells, and i've this big window thinking "hmms..., so what do i do now." ( while waiting for my cooldowns to come back up )

So i've decided on these champions
ahri / diana / akali (?)
because i feel that you can afford to farm, and contribute to team fights better.

Therefore which champion do you think i should get? Feel free to recomend me something you think i'd like.
he or she should have high mobility and can kill something and get out fine before anyone on the opposing team can react.

Thank you.



Hey guys, i've tried eve like what someone suggested n oh yeah she's fun.
kept me awake for like an extra 8 hours.

so anyway, everyone seems to feel that ahri doesn't have much of a weakness and is probably the better buy over diana.
Does anyone feels that diana has an advantage over ahri?
excluding banning frequency.



Diana does have the better joke. Bursts a bit harder too.
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