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On September 30 2012 00:26 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 00:13 justiceknight wrote:
i have trouble with using melee vs a range during farm/lane phase,can any1 give me some tips on how not to die to their auto attack? you have to find ways to fully engage on them because melees generally deal more damage and are more tanky than ranged champions. for example if you play garen you sin in brush and wait for the ranged champion to come close and then you combo him. or with jax you jump on them and activate dodge and hit them a few times after the stun. Winning lane allways comes from aggression whether that be proactive or reactive depends on the champion you play.
It depends. If you become the aggressor while they have more creeps on their side, and assuming they have a combat summoner too, you could easily lose the trade, die and not have any chance of coming back.
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thanks for the suggestion to both of you,do you have any ideas about mid lane? I used diana and have trouble against heroes like LB/annie/ahri until lv6 then i finally can unleash my rage on them to paid off all my missing cs.
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#1 thing that annoys me with LoL are teams with no game sense. I'm hardly amazing at LoL but I understand if you don't see any opposing team on map more than likely they're hiding somewhere in jungle or sitting in a bush, but teammates decide to start roaming the other team's half of the map solo or in small packs.
other thing that annoys the hell out of me is that the other team keeps winning team fights or a lane you don't keep going balls deep to try to catch up. you start warding, farm CS when you can if they aren't pushing a tower, and bide your time to try to get them out of position.
have non-tanky players that constantly initiate into teamfights that will result in a negative result and the only way I can get it to stop is to either start asserting myself in chat or pinging retreat a ton which is 50/50 on it being heeded or not
my mechanics (last hitting) is mediocre but my game sense & map awareness is a whole lot better and it's so aggravating knowing teammates are going on suicide missions and deciding whether I should be involved or not.
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When playing Olaf against champs like Kennen or Vlad I try to keep their escape skills cooldowns in mind, and I max Q (undertow, the axe throw) because it's my ranged nuke and gap closing ability (it slows on hit, goes through minions without damage loss and if you can pick it up reliably it's a good chasing tool). I try to both harass them and last hit without pushing the wave too much when they try to zone me.
Whenever I feel like they can't outtrade me (Kennen's W passive has just been used to last hit for example) and I hit a Q, I run up to them (and the axe) and try to use E and 1-2 autos then I back off before they have time to retaliate (since they should be running from me) or, if I think I can kill them (ignite up, level 8+ where E hurts more, I managed to get another Q or 2 in) I all-in them. But it feels quite skill dependant anyway, since I have to hit my Qs or just use it to farm and fall behind.
Also, thoughts on WW top? He was permabanned after his buffs, but even before his nerfs he wasn't being played much. I assume Rengar and Jayce shit on him so it's probably not the time to pick him up again.
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WW top is still fine but Cho is essentially the same but better
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On September 29 2012 23:54 Alaric wrote:This.
Thank you. This is gold.
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On September 30 2012 00:13 justiceknight wrote:
i have trouble with using melee vs a range during farm/lane phase,can any1 give me some tips on how not to die to their auto attack?
Obv. not melee vs ranged but rather ranged vs ranged. How do you guys deal with Jayce as Kayle? Seems like a beast top and probably has a ton of better match-ups vs melee tops.
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On September 30 2012 00:55 Alaric wrote:
Also, thoughts on WW top? He was permabanned after his buffs, but even before his nerfs he wasn't being played much. I assume Rengar and Jayce shit on him so it's probably not the time to pick him up again.
You treat him like Darius and gank the shit out of him. Dood has no escape outside of his e, which is still situational. Though he is a boss at trading and sustain.
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Na I mean playing WW, not playing against him. Since he's easily ganked and can't trade too often because of his mana costs, and we've got several champs with good sustain, low mana costs (if not manaless) and other stuff in that vein, I'm wondering if there's a point in playing him top currently.
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it's still easy as hell and using ultimate is one of those win soloq games skills
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On September 30 2012 01:40 Alaric wrote:
Na I mean playing WW, not playing against him. Since he's easily ganked and can't trade too often because of his mana costs, and we've got several champs with good sustain, low mana costs (if not manaless) and other stuff in that vein, I'm wondering if there's a point in playing him top currently.
my experience with WW was I got less ganked than as teemo. He is tanky, has a good sustain and his pretty fast and his ult has a short cd.
Normally I just warded and ran away if I got caught I ult to the person who is far away or burn a flash.
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On September 30 2012 01:40 Alaric wrote:
Na I mean playing WW, not playing against him. Since he's easily ganked and can't trade too often because of his mana costs, and we've got several champs with good sustain, low mana costs (if not manaless) and other stuff in that vein, I'm wondering if there's a point in playing him top currently.
He still scales hard as shit and that ult is pretty ruthless.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
If Warwick could jungle, that would be so fantastic. Just imagine having a hybrid of Nunu and Skarner in one champion. Just gotta replace his bloodscent with Malphite W or something like that and he would be sooo good. But it's never gonna happen and Warwick is going to be mediocre forever. 
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all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
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On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
Vayne,
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On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
Vayne,
Also Poppy and Trundle.
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On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
Vayne, Also Poppy and Trundle.
Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.
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and trundle..
but yea,is there a reason that the cooldown on warwicks W is so massive?I don't think his jungle would be as terrible if it was on a shorter cooldown but 24 seconds for a 40% attack speed increase is mental.
Later in the game when you have your cdr shit it's up almost permanently up anyway.
Being single target AND having low attack speed in jungle is brutal.
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On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
Vayne, Also Poppy and Trundle. Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow.
What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage.
Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.
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On September 30 2012 02:44 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 02:41 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2012 02:40 QuakerOats wrote:On September 30 2012 02:33 Gahlo wrote:On September 30 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
all they need to do is give ww a cleave when he uses W or a passive cleave on his E and he will be top tier, since every other champ in the game has aoe spells except him and shen
Vayne, Also Poppy and Trundle. Technically, Poppy splash and Pillar slow. What splash? And I'm pretty sure he was talking about farming minions since Shen's E does AOE damage. Edit: Also Fiora then, her ult can't be used on minions either and it's not really AOE.
Explosive Shot (Passive): Enemies explode when slain by Tristana's basic attacks, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies.
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