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[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 37

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Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
September 29 2012 10:52 GMT
#721
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 11:01:30
September 29 2012 10:55 GMT
#722
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 29 2012 10:55 GMT
#723
The auto-attacks of Yorick's Ravenous Ghoul always heal Yorick for 35% of Yorick's AD, regardless of the actual damage dealt.


Uh, I didn't know that. Fucker's even more brain dead and absurd than I thought.

Also, what do you do as a jungler when your "poor side" (the one with only wolves and blue) gets shat on pretty badly? You're going to get really starved if you camp for him so you'll need to convert the ganks, but soloQ being what it is... in those games I generally tend to fall behind because if I don't camp for them they'll feed or get utterly destroyed in cs (then the tower), raging all along the way and often destroying any kind of team cohesion, so I try to be there often and thus lose my wraiths, sometimes a buff (because they won't know to play safe while I tell them I need to secure red) and counterganking is made easy for the fatter enemy jungler.
Should I just ignore them, farm my jungle and come when I'm ready and I notice they'll get attacked/dived soon, with the risk that they'll feed during that time?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 29 2012 11:27 GMT
#724
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.

what? leona is soloq king
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
September 29 2012 11:31 GMT
#725
So. Anyone got any opinions on Kha'zakstan? What are you guys building on him?
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#726
1-2 dorans, brutalizer/hexdrinker, bt, ga/lw/youmous/maw, ga/lw/youmous/maw, ga/lw/youmous/maw (if you didnt go brutalizer then maybe get an aegis.. dont really know)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 29 2012 11:50 GMT
#727
On September 29 2012 20:27 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.

what? leona is soloq king


soloq queen
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 29 2012 11:55 GMT
#728
soloqueen
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 29 2012 12:00 GMT
#729
squeen
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 29 2012 12:11 GMT
#730
On September 29 2012 18:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 18:56 TheYango wrote:
On September 29 2012 18:50 sob3k wrote:
On September 29 2012 18:35 Slaughter wrote:
Wow. Just bought Ori and.... I feel like such a noob. I always lose track of the balls' location and have miffed several ults (The ball ended up in places way out of where I thought it was) She is a champ on a much diff skill cap then I am used to playing lol she is fun as hell though.


Dont feel too bad, everyone misses her ult. I just watched bigfatlp miss one on stream like and hour ago

...the fuck who actually uses the "-lp" in his name.

It'll always be jiji to me.


But jiji is kind of vulgar.


lp is an abbreviated version of exactly the same thing in a different language. You could say it stands for anything but given that his name change was forced I'm pretty sure he was just trying to keep his old name as much as possible.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 29 2012 12:29 GMT
#731
On September 29 2012 19:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 19:52 Goragoth wrote:
Out of curiosity which supports is Lulu considered good against? So far people have said that she is bad against Leona, Taric, Blitzcrank, Sona and Soraka. So that leaves like Janna as the only legit support that Lulu isn't terrible against? That doesn't seem right to me. Though now that I think of it the Korean teams usually run Lulu when they 2v1 laneswap. Hmm.


Lulu is good against Leona and Blitzcrank. Lulu can't beat sustain based lanes such as Soraka, Sona, and Taric. I have never played Lulu vs Janna as Lulu or Janna, but I think Lulu has an upper hand.

EDIT: IMO Lulu suffers the same problem as Leona. Their kits are not weak, but it feels that they require a lot of coordination from the team so they seem weak in soloQ. This is just my own personal opinion about their lackluster performance in ranked.


Leona is great in solo queue, she's just not popular because she's a lot more difficult to play correctly than other supports.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 29 2012 12:31 GMT
#732
On September 29 2012 19:55 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
The auto-attacks of Yorick's Ravenous Ghoul always heal Yorick for 35% of Yorick's AD, regardless of the actual damage dealt.


Uh, I didn't know that. Fucker's even more brain dead and absurd than I thought.


So doesn't that mean that you really only need one point in the skill for sustain?
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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
September 29 2012 12:46 GMT
#733
Man I feel sites like championselect.net and lolking.net do more harm than good
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 12:49:29
September 29 2012 12:49 GMT
#734
Not that I actually use those sites, but could someone give an example or two where the data from lolking horribly misrepresents reality? I don't play ranked so I don't run into those people.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 29 2012 12:49 GMT
#735
Lol someone just went LB top against my Irelia...

Ty free win. I don't even see how someone can think that is a good idea.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 29 2012 12:52 GMT
#736
You still heal for 40% of the skill damage on cast, and since W is AoE and Q requires you to auto your opponent (apparently the ghoul focuses whatever you hit, so it won't go for a champ if you hit a minion with hit, unless you get the last hit) it's your easiest harass: ranged, single target, doesn't push and short cd. I don't know if a ghoul attacking a champ will draw aggro to Yorick though—I'd think it should.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 12:55:30
September 29 2012 12:55 GMT
#737
On September 29 2012 21:52 Alaric wrote:
You still heal for 40% of the skill damage on cast, and since W is AoE and Q requires you to auto your opponent (apparently the ghoul focuses whatever you hit, so it won't go for a champ if you hit a minion with hit, unless you get the last hit) it's your easiest harass: ranged, single target, doesn't push and short cd. I don't know if a ghoul attacking a champ will draw aggro to Yorick though—I'd think it should.


It doesn't, last I played him.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 29 2012 12:57 GMT
#738
I still feel like leona is easy as shit to play but w/e
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
September 29 2012 13:31 GMT
#739
On September 29 2012 21:49 phyvo wrote:
Not that I actually use those sites, but could someone give an example or two where the data from lolking horribly misrepresents reality? I don't play ranked so I don't run into those people.


Here's an example that just happened to me: Guy first pick picks Kata and our top laner Wukong stared crying that Kata only has 2 wins and is just starting ranked. Wukong starts doing well and snowballing Cho'Gath and starts blaming other people and me who was jungling because we died a couple of times. Then he starts roaming with 86 cs and dying by chasing people low health and at the end of the game he was the worst player of the team.

You also get people who call a lane pick a champion and link some random 2k Elo profile from lolking.net and go 'Dudes we got this free elo for you I'm 2k Elo <link>' and I only once have had someone who did that not feed and fail their lane hard. And then there's the counter site and people who go 'OMG Y U PICK <CHAMP1> AGAINST <CHAMP2> YOU COUNTERED YOURSELF LOLOL WE LOSE GG'

Meh this sounds like a rant sorry.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 29 2012 13:34 GMT
#740
Now 12-0 with Irelia.

May my glorious Irelia never experience a loss. Climbing up to gold with her, 1430 elo now

Gieb dat Janna skin.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
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