[Patch 1.0.0.147: Syndra] General Discussion - Page 24

wussleeQ

United States3130 Posts

September 13 2012 22:13 GMT

#461

max order for syndra... W E Q? just messed around with her in a custom and W seems really good for poke, and E seems good for mid game and scales down with levels. kinda like riven lol

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

September 13 2012 22:15 GMT

#462

On September 14 2012 07:11 Glaceau wrote:
sorakas only good matchup left is vs janna, so thats all she really has going for her. Definitely a frustrating support matchup if your jungler is clueless.

I wouldn't say that. Soraka is still very good vs Leona, Lulu, and Sona.

Zdrastochye

Ivory Coast6262 Posts

September 13 2012 22:26 GMT

#463

On September 14 2012 07:15 Sufficiency wrote:

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I wouldn't say that. Soraka is still very good vs Leona, Lulu, and Sona.

Ehhh, depends how the Leona plays. Hyperaggressive Leonas can zone pretty hard, or you can just go balls out flashing and shit if your jungler is anywhere close and lock them down for a long time if you're already 6. Undoubtedly raka is good vs Lulu, Sona not as much.

wussleeQ

United States3130 Posts

September 13 2012 22:29 GMT

#464

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but, the 2 rune pages for 6300 is only a TEMPORARY thing. Available till the 20th only!

Which means... I have to hold off on buying zyra... for now..

Glaceau

Wales333 Posts

September 13 2012 22:30 GMT

#465

On September 14 2012 07:15 Sufficiency wrote:

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I wouldn't say that. Soraka is still very good vs Leona, Lulu, and Sona.

too many ADs that can 100 to 0 you with sonas damage support/ult or leona's stunlocks at 6.

Forgot about Lulu since nobody ever plays her...But I would rather have lulu in teamfights personally

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

September 13 2012 22:35 GMT

#466

On September 14 2012 07:13 wussleeQ wrote:
max order for syndra... W E Q? just messed around with her in a custom and W seems really good for poke, and E seems good for mid game and scales down with levels. kinda like riven lol

You're losing a lot of sustained damage by maxing anything before Q. There's a case to be made for maxing W first, but I don't think you gain enough from maxing E second to warrant it. E doesn't become better at stunning or pushing back foes as you level it, save for the slight width increase at rank 5, so it's something of a one point wonder.

Shiragaku

Hong Kong4308 Posts

September 13 2012 22:35 GMT

#467

lolol, I am listening to people complain about ELO Hell. People who tend to complain about that thing tend to be incredibly self-centered, as if they are the only one who is awake in a world of sheep/idiots/trolls/baddies. I feel bad for those guys...

ELO Hell exists alright. Look at the personality of the average player. Would you want to have 9 of those guys for dinner?

Gorsameth

Netherlands22437 Posts

September 13 2012 22:42 GMT

#468

On September 14 2012 07:35 Shiragaku wrote:
lolol, I am listening to people complain about ELO Hell. People who tend to complain about that thing tend to be incredibly self-centered, as if they are the only one who is awake in a world of sheep/idiots/trolls/baddies. I feel bad for those guys...

ELO Hell exists alright. Look at the personality of the average player. Would you want to have 9 of those guys for dinner?

Frankly being a ~1300 player myself i can totaly see where people are coming from. The amount of times you can win your lane but lose because someone gos 0/10 is amazing.
Losing 8 games in a row without losing your own lane once is totaly possible.
Ofc statistical average and all that but the shear frustration brought on by the willingness of people to troll others in this game is very very real. And that i think is the truth behind Elo Hell. its not being stuck somewhere. its the company your in while being there.

Eppa!

Sweden4641 Posts

September 13 2012 22:45 GMT

#469

Before we get into elo hell for the 5+ time.

Got Zyra. I played som normal drafts. Beat people with her easy early game 4/5 times. Died a couple of times leading to a 1-1 kda. She is really good and I like her a lot. Her burst and cc are good, she has a fun positional play. She is not over the top amazing but very viable. I still need to get better at using her turrets for control and i think neither RoA or Death Cap rush is good on her regardless of popular opinion.

Which brings me to my second thing. Since the buff Grail is really good. Manaregen, CDR, MR, AP. Zyra has great use of CDR and it a very good build up with mostly small purchases.

I am thinking chalice, Rylais vs AP heavy teams / chalice, Zonyas vs AD heavy teams.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

September 13 2012 22:46 GMT

#470

soraka is incredibly undervalued in solo queue. she's still a strong, relevant support, but she really only fits certain team compositions. if you've got a heavy bruiserish team (like say, Darius top, Hecarim jungle, and Graves on AD) then she's massively strong in lategame. she's very good in lane vs Nunu, Janna, Sona, and Lulu, and completely viable against the rest if you know what the fuck to do. too many sorakas just get caught playing like bumbling fools in bottom lane, pretending they are sona and janna with poke and escapes. you just can't play like that. With any of the current popular ADs she's a solid choice.

SnK-Arcbound

United States4423 Posts

September 13 2012 22:47 GMT

#471

So I'm watching this clg.b vs fnatic. Who the fuck are these players on clg.b? Are they on some borrowed accounts to be on eu server?

overt

United States9006 Posts

September 13 2012 22:50 GMT

#472

On September 14 2012 07:47 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So I'm watching this clg.b vs fnatic. Who the fuck are these players on clg.b? Are they on some borrowed accounts to be on eu server?

That isn't CLG.black that's an EU team called Black.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

September 13 2012 22:51 GMT

#473

I think Soraka is a (In lane) counter to Sona, she negates her harassment and blows Sona's W out of the water.

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

September 13 2012 22:56 GMT

#474

From the looks of it, I will be going Q>W>E. Have yet to play her though of course because she is not on EU yet. I'm just judging from the videos of her. Q has the most pushing/harassing power due to lowest cooldown and it looks easy to hit and seems to have the longest range.

On September 14 2012 07:29 wussleeQ wrote:
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but, the 2 rune pages for 6300 is only a TEMPORARY thing. Available till the 20th only!

Which means... I have to hold off on buying zyra... for now..

In that case I need to hold off buying Syndra :/

samthesaluki

914 Posts

September 13 2012 22:57 GMT

#475

ok as i speak from experience elo hell does and doesn't exist now you say this sounds stupid but let me explain i literally dropped to 300 elo like every game but i would win lane so in my mind my team would be bad aka you think elo hell stuck with baddies, then dur a player from tl 2.2k rated i think played 3 games on my account 1 game he went like 36-6 and still only a rehib respawn just in time saved him and if you ask him he would still say elo hell doesn't exist and that his morg went afk for half that game, but at low elo this happens all the time so would be included under elo hell, now another tl'er played on my account duoq to boost his friend and obv that boosted me also stxz his name, i specced nearly all his games and tried to understand how i could go from winning my lane to winning games, from what i noticed alot of games he would obv just play better than the other carry and win but also i did notice some of the games might have been lost without his teamwork with his duo, he may say different. Anyway i picked up some things i could add to my play to try carry harder and i feel comfortable playing people at my current elo i have been playing alot of practice 1 v1, yes i know this is a teamgame blah blah, anyway yesterday i had a guy telling me elo hell was because of bad players like me joining games he didn't know me this was in 1 of the riot chats he said he was good enough to be high elo but cause of bad people like me was stuck at 1100, so i played him 1 v1 i won the game with 1-0 kills a 4 level advantage and over double his cs, yet he claimed i was bad and i cheesed him because i went ignite flash(he went ignite clarity) so i told him the things he needed to do better and in his mind he had game won and only reason i won was cause i flashed 1 time so this made me in my mind think was i like this guy did i deserve my low elo before and i decided although i was never as bad as him maybe the fact that i blamed everyone else even though it was mostly there fault maybe i shoulds spent more time improving (which i had been playing tl inhouses etc).

TLDR: ELO hell exists in a way but is only a mindset problem.

h3r1n6

Iceland2039 Posts

September 13 2012 23:04 GMT

#476

That is really hard to read.

Thermia

United States866 Posts

September 13 2012 23:06 GMT

#477

A lot of people think just winning lane should be enough, when if you want to hard carry you have to smash the shit out of your lane pretty quickly and then move on to taking objectives and pressuring for your losing lanes. Winning lane is good but just winning it alone isnt (and shouldnt) be enough. There will be unwinnable games but those are few and far between (reep and tinker's duo-queueing was something like 600-20 and they played a lot of "unviable" laners too). Better players see smaller mistakes and can capitalize on them far more than a weaker player can, and while the weaker player might not do anything "wrong" the vast majority of the time there are things they are missing that they can take advantage of to win lane harder and have more of an effect on the game.

On September 14 2012 07:56 h3r1n6 wrote:

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I agree with the w-e-q order, q doesnt get anything except extra damage from leveling it (no cdr, which I thought it might, and it has pretty bad damage on its own anyway, AND the increased mana cost if you're spamming it really hurts) while w gets increased slow/duration as well as damage. Even q second felt pretty bad.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

September 13 2012 23:06 GMT

#478

I haven't tried it yet, but I think W max might be good. I think I'd still go Q second though. W damage is really good and long range. Q damage seems fairly underwhelming, but it is extremely spammable at max lvl.