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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21679 Posts
September 22 2012 10:09 GMT
#2961
Group A
CLG.NA
SK
iG
Azubu Frost


Group B
SJ
Najin Sword
CLG.EU

Dignitas

Good bye CLG.US was nice seeing you show up for group matches. Bit sad that Dignitas probably wont get past group tho.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 10:16:34
September 22 2012 10:13 GMT
#2962
Assuming normal round robin with time-based tiebreakers, it's actually really hard to call because of the nature small Bo1 groups. For example, if we assume that Sword, CLG.EU, and Dignitas will all beat SAJ, Dignitas only needs to get lucky and win 1 game vs. either CLG.EU or Sword to have a chance to tiebreak their way into bracket play.

Personally I think they should play out tiebreakers rather than using the time rule for an important tournament like this.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 10:18:30
September 22 2012 10:14 GMT
#2963
I got to front page rankings mid-way into S2 without playing ANY mid or ad carry.
The worst case is that you say you support but can't ad carry and they say the same but you make em ad carry anyway and say you're 100% worse at ad.
Or you have to mid but you pick some top champ like malphite or something. Only happened like once.

And playing all roles doesn't isn't as important as paying attention to all roles and how they perform. I play next to no ad carries but most of my teamfight focus is on what the ad carry is doing and what the correct reaction is and it's a lot better than saying "hmm what pisses me off when I'm playing ad carry" because that's depends on a lot of factors espiecially if you're not good at the role.

It helps at higher elo because if you're low/last pick you usually get suppport and if you're first pick you often get jungle and most of the time you're a higher pick but it's not like I ever gained elo from playing mid or ad carry at lower elo lol.

I like nobody expects anyone in a 5's team to play more than one role but as soon as it' solo queue you gotta play everything or it's a detriment to your improvement?

You say not much of the skill of the game is role-dependent but I'm all for reducing as many variables as possible, so you can spot mistakes way easier. If you're changing role and champ lots of times it's hard to judge when you misplayed or when you misjudged the situation or wether you're less strong than you should be due to mistakes early or something. It's always good to have a huge reference game base with the same hero so you know "Oh my champ build isn't bad their team is just fed that's why I feel useless" etc.
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
September 22 2012 10:15 GMT
#2964
On September 22 2012 19:03 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 18:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
you care so little you couldn't resist sharing your opinion, makes sense

I was trying to shed some light on the situation for spellsy. Way to be a dick about nothing Usnip.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 19:00 Tilorn91 wrote:
Ok so, I'm really trying hard to get back into gold league for the war hero Janna skin. I play mainly AD and in the last few months my elo is slowly descending, from 1580 to 1450ish. I main Vayne, but it just seems like she isn't viable at all, and I can't win a single game with her, so I switched to Corki and had a lot of success, but I'm still a few games short.

What play styles and general tactics do you recommend for solo Q AD playing to win? I tend to make almost no risky plays at all, I write to my support that we are playing to farm, I mostly ask for a sustain support too, since I feel like my strengths as a player lie in the mid-late game possitioning and general good last hitting for my elo (around 100cs at 10min mark).

Any thoughts?

If you want to keep playing Vayne, tell your team not to feed in lane and stall into late game because you will win there if your teamfighting is as good as you say. If you don't want to rely on that, figure out wether you like Graves, Ez or Corki the best and play them with aggressive supports and crush your lane. Try to make calls, for example by pinging dragon like mad after killing your lane and stuff. Maybe even using the chat if they don't understand you, hue.


The problem with Vayne is that it's not the rest of the team, I can't survive the lane. Either it's a 4man gank, or my support getting caught or me. And I like Corki the best, hence why I'm playing him. Ok so, agressive it is, Corki Leona combo.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 22 2012 10:15 GMT
#2965
now imagine if TPA or World Elite ( who are playing with 2 new players) were in group instead of Frost, clg.na had much bigger chances imo but right now I completely agree with your predictions.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 10:26:54
September 22 2012 10:16 GMT
#2966
I also think that the bracket play should be double elimination. Single elimination is appropriate for tournaments where you're only paying out prize money to the top 1-3 spots--while double elimination is intended to be more "fair" for lower spots in the tournament (since you won't have a situation where the best team and the 2nd best team face off in the first round, and the 2nd best team, which could have gotten the 2nd prize gets screwed out of any prize money just because of unlucky bracketing). Since Riot is distributing prize money for all 12 spots, its more important to get the order right in the intermediate spots, not just the first prize.

On September 22 2012 19:14 Slayer91 wrote:
I got to front page rankings mid-way into S2 without playing ANY mid or ad carry.
The worst case is that you say you support but can't ad carry and they say the same but you make em ad carry anyway and say you're 100% worse at ad.
Or you have to mid but you pick some top champ like malphite or something. Only happened like once.

And playing all roles doesn't isn't as important as paying attention to all roles and how they perform. I play next to no ad carries but most of my teamfight focus is on what the ad carry is doing and what the correct reaction is and it's a lot better than saying "hmm what pisses me off when I'm playing ad carry" because that's depends on a lot of factors espiecially if you're not good at the role.

It helps at higher elo because if you're low/last pick you usually get suppport and if you're first pick you often get jungle and most of the time you're a higher pick but it's not like I ever gained elo from playing mid or ad carry at lower elo lol.

I like nobody expects anyone in a 5's team to play more than one role but as soon as it' solo queue you gotta play everything or it's a detriment to your improvement?

You say not much of the skill of the game is role-dependent but I'm all for reducing as many variables as possible, so you can spot mistakes way easier. If you're changing role and champ lots of times it's hard to judge when you misplayed or when you misjudged the situation or wether you're less strong than you should be due to mistakes early or something. It's always good to have a huge reference game base with the same hero so you know "Oh my champ build isn't bad their team is just fed that's why I feel useless" etc.

The thing is your Elo is already comparatively high, so its not really a relevant example, same with the case where you're discussing 5's vs. solo queue. Professional players are already at the level where they don't need to be playing every role. Similarly, at the start of S2, your skill level was high enough that you don't need that kind of experience in the fundamentals.

When you start at 1250 (which is where the discussion came from--a discussion of learning roles for someone who's pre-30/fresh 30) the most important thing to rise the first couple hundred Elo is fundamentals. NOTHING that is role-specific will make or break games at that low of a level. It's far more important to build a broad understanding of the gameflow and how the roles interact, and it's much quicker and more effective to do that experiencing all the roles. As you climb the ladder and build a better understanding of the game, you can narrow down your focus, but I would definitely disagree with someone who is just starting to play ranked for the first time hemming themselves into 1 role.
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 10:40:52
September 22 2012 10:39 GMT
#2967
Anyone watching CLG.eu vs WE showmatch?

http://www.twitch.tv/m1lkcast?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=www.solomid.net

First game of the series, close so far.

clg.eu - ez/leona/morde/skarner/wickdrelia

we - graves/taric/fatman/mao/olaf
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 22 2012 10:39 GMT
#2968
On September 22 2012 19:00 Tilorn91 wrote:
Ok so, I'm really trying hard to get back into gold league for the war hero Janna skin. I play mainly AD and in the last few months my elo is slowly descending, from 1580 to 1450ish. I main Vayne, but it just seems like she isn't viable at all, and I can't win a single game with her, so I switched to Corki and had a lot of success, but I'm still a few games short.

What play styles and general tactics do you recommend for solo Q AD playing to win? I tend to make almost no risky plays at all, I write to my support that we are playing to farm, I mostly ask for a sustain support too, since I feel like my strengths as a player lie in the mid-late game possitioning and general good last hitting for my elo (around 100cs at 10min mark).

Any thoughts?

Ask for an aggressive support, shit all over lane, carry da gaimes.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
September 22 2012 10:40 GMT
#2969
beautiful 4v5 from clgeu there.
Go go Alliance.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 22 2012 10:44 GMT
#2970
lol Misaya's Gragas ulti
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
September 22 2012 10:48 GMT
#2971
weixiao REAL AD terror
GANDHISAUCE
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#2972
fuck clg.eu teamfight look better than ever, if they ACTUALLY dont get fucked early game everytime they would be the strongest team in the world

Wickd' irelia, biggest balls heheh
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
September 22 2012 10:57 GMT
#2973
On September 22 2012 19:51 AsnSensation wrote:

Wickd' irelia, biggest balls heheh

QED
currently rooting for myself.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 22 2012 11:02 GMT
#2974
damn snoopeh getting caught and graves too big
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
September 22 2012 11:02 GMT
#2975
On September 22 2012 19:51 AsnSensation wrote:
fuck clg.eu teamfight look better than ever, if they ACTUALLY dont get fucked early game everytime they would be the strongest team in the world

Wickd' irelia, biggest balls heheh



Five for Zero for WE. Back and forth back and forth.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
September 22 2012 11:06 GMT
#2976
Graves switched his PD for a Triforce. That's interesting.
currently rooting for myself.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
September 22 2012 11:07 GMT
#2977
13/1/9, more than 545 cs ? That graves.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
September 22 2012 11:08 GMT
#2978
On September 22 2012 20:06 Shiv. wrote:
Graves switched his PD for a Triforce. That's interesting.


Recommended items yo!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-22 11:20:48
September 22 2012 11:19 GMT
#2979
On September 22 2012 20:07 WhiteDog wrote:
13/1/9, more than 545 cs ? That graves.

I like how he keeps farming even though he had 6 items at like 38 minutes and a stacked BT for forever. GOTTA BUY DEM ELIXIRS. Wait, he sold boots for GA. Okay.
currently rooting for myself.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21679 Posts
September 22 2012 11:20 GMT
#2980
Wow. The lag there on Wick3d... he wasnt even attacking Olaf half the time.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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