• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:39
CEST 07:39
KST 14:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-227Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14
StarCraft 2
General
Protoss AoE skill expression Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread BCA KCP Kramat Jaya 📞Telp|wa:0821-8171-891 Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
NBA General Discussion Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5526 users

[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 133

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 131 132 133 134 135 288 Next
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 21 2012 16:34 GMT
#2641
On June 22 2012 00:50 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:54 Improbable wrote:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned udyr as a yorick counter? He's the only champ I've actually seen picked in pro play to successfully counter yorick. Just spam turtle stance, infinite sustain, push tower and farm/roam/counterjungle all day darien style.

This guys speaks the truth, you just free farm as Udyr vs Yorick and he can't do a single thing

You beat Udyr in trades with Q from my experience

Once you get Wriggles + Tabi and lvl5 turtle you don't even have to trade, he will eventually realize hes wasting mana by spamming ghouls on you while you just free farm and freeze the lane
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 21 2012 16:38 GMT
#2642
On June 22 2012 01:34 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:50 Shikyo wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:54 Improbable wrote:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned udyr as a yorick counter? He's the only champ I've actually seen picked in pro play to successfully counter yorick. Just spam turtle stance, infinite sustain, push tower and farm/roam/counterjungle all day darien style.

This guys speaks the truth, you just free farm as Udyr vs Yorick and he can't do a single thing

You beat Udyr in trades with Q from my experience

Once you get Wriggles + Tabi and lvl5 turtle you don't even have to trade, he will eventually realize hes wasting mana by spamming ghouls on you while you just free farm and freeze the lane

Maybe I was too far ahead... From what I can remember from playing vs Udyr I max Q first and it actually goes crushing through his turtle especially if you autoattack cancel properly with Q. That ghoul deals like a million damage.

However I agree it's tough if you don't gain a large advantage early on. Still I don't think Udyr can properly 1v1 you esp vs your ult so it turns into farmfest
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 21 2012 16:40 GMT
#2643
Is the patch live on NA? I saw in Aphro's stream that some CHamp icons have been changed. But Pulsefire hasnt been released yet right?

waiting for livepatch on EU
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 16:45:15
June 21 2012 16:41 GMT
#2644
On June 22 2012 01:29 mcimba42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:49 Shikyo wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:43 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:30 ihasaKAROT wrote:
the ghouls dont follow you into the brushes, if you can bait alot of ghouls and 'deny' them like that you will win just by having him run OOM without gaining anything.

You think a good yorick will cast ghouls on you if you're standing close to a bush? He's just going to walk in it first and then ghoul you


Assuming it's always possible for yorick to harass you while he's in a brush and you're not next to one..

What I do is cast E on them and cast W in the brush for vision. How would you counter that?


Another AD carry quiz:

At 6300 IP, do I get:

1. Ezreal

2. Caitlyn

3. Varus

4. Kog'Maw

kog is the strongest, ez is the most fun, cait is the best in lane overall, varus is still largely unknown because no one really bothered playing him

I guess I was too vague whoopsies.

So let's say that assuming I want to bring my elo up from 1280 to 1500 and assuming I'm generally better than most people I play vs (If we don't get stomped in lane early because of either hardcounter lane or terrible mistakes by me or support I have like twice the farm of the next-best farmer and generally really nice KDA score) which of these would let me 1. Abuse noobs and 2. Be less reliant on my support to be good?


By the way anyone else grin ear to ear every time opposing team picks Ezreal(Happens like every other game now)? They seem to be learning to play it for Pulsefire Ezreal and all these Ezreals are absolutely horrible and I love freewin lanes
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 21 2012 16:49 GMT
#2645
On June 22 2012 01:41 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:29 mcimba42 wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:49 Shikyo wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:43 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:30 ihasaKAROT wrote:
the ghouls dont follow you into the brushes, if you can bait alot of ghouls and 'deny' them like that you will win just by having him run OOM without gaining anything.

You think a good yorick will cast ghouls on you if you're standing close to a bush? He's just going to walk in it first and then ghoul you


Assuming it's always possible for yorick to harass you while he's in a brush and you're not next to one..

What I do is cast E on them and cast W in the brush for vision. How would you counter that?


Another AD carry quiz:

At 6300 IP, do I get:

1. Ezreal

2. Caitlyn

3. Varus

4. Kog'Maw

kog is the strongest, ez is the most fun, cait is the best in lane overall, varus is still largely unknown because no one really bothered playing him

I guess I was too vague whoopsies.

So let's say that assuming I want to bring my elo up from 1280 to 1500 and assuming I'm generally better than most people I play vs (If we don't get stomped in lane early because of either hardcounter lane or terrible mistakes by me or support I have like twice the farm of the next-best farmer and generally really nice KDA score) which of these would let me 1. Abuse noobs and 2. Be less reliant on my support to be good?


By the way anyone else grin ear to ear every time opposing team picks Ezreal(Happens like every other game now)? They seem to be learning to play it for Pulsefire Ezreal and all these Ezreals are absolutely horrible and I love freewin lanes

Nothing is better than Cait to abuse people that are way worse than you. You also can ignore your support with her.
Answer is Caitlyn
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11947 Posts
June 21 2012 16:49 GMT
#2646
I'd say tristana or graves are best for what you intend, but they are not on your list. Maybe urgot too.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
June 21 2012 16:52 GMT
#2647
On June 22 2012 01:41 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:29 mcimba42 wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:49 Shikyo wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:43 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 21 2012 23:30 ihasaKAROT wrote:
the ghouls dont follow you into the brushes, if you can bait alot of ghouls and 'deny' them like that you will win just by having him run OOM without gaining anything.

You think a good yorick will cast ghouls on you if you're standing close to a bush? He's just going to walk in it first and then ghoul you


Assuming it's always possible for yorick to harass you while he's in a brush and you're not next to one..

What I do is cast E on them and cast W in the brush for vision. How would you counter that?


Another AD carry quiz:

At 6300 IP, do I get:

1. Ezreal

2. Caitlyn

3. Varus

4. Kog'Maw

kog is the strongest, ez is the most fun, cait is the best in lane overall, varus is still largely unknown because no one really bothered playing him

I guess I was too vague whoopsies.

So let's say that assuming I want to bring my elo up from 1280 to 1500 and assuming I'm generally better than most people I play vs (If we don't get stomped in lane early because of either hardcounter lane or terrible mistakes by me or support I have like twice the farm of the next-best farmer and generally really nice KDA score) which of these would let me 1. Abuse noobs and 2. Be less reliant on my support to be good?


By the way anyone else grin ear to ear every time opposing team picks Ezreal(Happens like every other game now)? They seem to be learning to play it for Pulsefire Ezreal and all these Ezreals are absolutely horrible and I love freewin lanes


I'd pick up Cait if you're looking for a lane bully. It's easy to use her to pretty much take the other AD out of the game at lower skill levels. You can also use traps and your net to make ganks less of an issue in the event your support isn't very good.
whole lies with a half smile
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 21 2012 17:02 GMT
#2648
Caitlyn is designed to bully lanes and then win mid-game. Her range, traps, and snare/displace make it really easy to position safely, and her ult is there for picking off runners.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
June 21 2012 17:16 GMT
#2649
So ok back to the ww question me and my friends are gonna 2 v 2 but its more like 2 v me i know 1 plays ww who idk how to counter who beats ww overall not ap though i feel id be 2 squishy i was thinking maybe nasus later game hard to kill and im sure in lane i can farm q. would shen or jax be able to kill ww late game?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 21 2012 17:19 GMT
#2650
On June 22 2012 01:38 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:34 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:50 Shikyo wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:54 Improbable wrote:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned udyr as a yorick counter? He's the only champ I've actually seen picked in pro play to successfully counter yorick. Just spam turtle stance, infinite sustain, push tower and farm/roam/counterjungle all day darien style.

This guys speaks the truth, you just free farm as Udyr vs Yorick and he can't do a single thing

You beat Udyr in trades with Q from my experience

Once you get Wriggles + Tabi and lvl5 turtle you don't even have to trade, he will eventually realize hes wasting mana by spamming ghouls on you while you just free farm and freeze the lane

Maybe I was too far ahead... From what I can remember from playing vs Udyr I max Q first and it actually goes crushing through his turtle especially if you autoattack cancel properly with Q. That ghoul deals like a million damage.

However I agree it's tough if you don't gain a large advantage early on. Still I don't think Udyr can properly 1v1 you esp vs your ult so it turns into farmfest

You might've played against an udyr that doesnt know that you can lvl turtle first. Also, dont people know you can just hide in the brush to avoid ghoul damage lol.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 21 2012 17:23 GMT
#2651
On June 22 2012 01:49 Simberto wrote:
I'd say tristana or graves are best for what you intend, but they are not on your list. Maybe urgot too.

Man Urgot is so much fun. I picked him up randomly and now he's my second best champ
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:25:56
June 21 2012 17:24 GMT
#2652
On June 22 2012 02:19 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:38 Shikyo wrote:
On June 22 2012 01:34 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:50 Shikyo wrote:
On June 22 2012 00:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 21 2012 21:54 Improbable wrote:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned udyr as a yorick counter? He's the only champ I've actually seen picked in pro play to successfully counter yorick. Just spam turtle stance, infinite sustain, push tower and farm/roam/counterjungle all day darien style.

This guys speaks the truth, you just free farm as Udyr vs Yorick and he can't do a single thing

You beat Udyr in trades with Q from my experience

Once you get Wriggles + Tabi and lvl5 turtle you don't even have to trade, he will eventually realize hes wasting mana by spamming ghouls on you while you just free farm and freeze the lane

Maybe I was too far ahead... From what I can remember from playing vs Udyr I max Q first and it actually goes crushing through his turtle especially if you autoattack cancel properly with Q. That ghoul deals like a million damage.

However I agree it's tough if you don't gain a large advantage early on. Still I don't think Udyr can properly 1v1 you esp vs your ult so it turns into farmfest

You might've played against an udyr that doesnt know that you can lvl turtle first. Also, dont people know you can just hide in the brush to avoid ghoul damage lol.

You counter that with W in the brush, I haven't seen anyone counter that yet but maybe it's possible... I just haven't seen it (So after you E them and they retreat towards the brush you W behind them so that the AoE still hits but so that it gives vision and the E ghoul doesn't change target)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:42:04
June 21 2012 17:29 GMT
#2653
Does Rumble just absolutely wreck Akali in lane or am I just bad?

Also, is Baron glitched right now? It just did 600 damage to me in 3 seconds.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 21 2012 17:32 GMT
#2654
Hm Cait just feels so weak to me and I dunno :/ I'm not really having a ton of fun playing as her, though I guess in theory she should be good...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 21 2012 17:45 GMT
#2655
On June 22 2012 02:29 Dalguno wrote:
Does Rumble just absolutely wreck Akali in lane or am I just bad?

Also, is Baron glitched right now? It just did 600 damage to me in 3 seconds.

Rumble wrecks a lot of people in lane, he's a dick. Dunno about that specific matchup, though.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 21 2012 17:48 GMT
#2656
On June 22 2012 02:16 samthesaluki wrote:
So ok back to the ww question me and my friends are gonna 2 v 2 but its more like 2 v me i know 1 plays ww who idk how to counter who beats ww overall not ap though i feel id be 2 squishy i was thinking maybe nasus later game hard to kill and im sure in lane i can farm q. would shen or jax be able to kill ww late game?

what did I just read?
currently rooting for myself.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 21 2012 17:48 GMT
#2657
On June 22 2012 02:29 Dalguno wrote:
Does Rumble just absolutely wreck Akali in lane or am I just bad?

Also, is Baron glitched right now? It just did 600 damage to me in 3 seconds.


Faytte and I experienced the same thing last night. I think he has double attack speed or something.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 17:51:45
June 21 2012 17:50 GMT
#2658
@shikyo: might not be playing the lane right. I know i don't so i pretty much hate cait. The two main things are hitting them as they take a cs so they can't hit back, and learning how to avoid the hard engage, it's different for every matchup. For example vs graves he can't really fight you unless he dashes, right? If he does you trap him and net him at the same time, then he either gets trapped or slowly walks off it while you auto him, either way you've won the trade. That kind of thing
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 21 2012 17:56 GMT
#2659
On June 22 2012 02:16 samthesaluki wrote:
So ok back to the ww question me and my friends are gonna 2 v 2 but its more like 2 v me i know 1 plays ww who idk how to counter who beats ww overall not ap though i feel id be 2 squishy i was thinking maybe nasus later game hard to kill and im sure in lane i can farm q. would shen or jax be able to kill ww late game?


Yorick can outlane and outdamage WW at most/all stages of the game. Ranged carries will pretty much all crush Warwick in lane: Vayne in particular will demolish him. The mixed damage bruisers (e.g. Jax) can do alright against him. I don't think Nasus is a very good pick, it is so easy for Warwick to abuse all-physical champions (Frozen Heart OP as fuck).
I am the Town Medic.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 21 2012 17:58 GMT
#2660
On June 22 2012 02:29 Dalguno wrote:
Does Rumble just absolutely wreck Akali in lane or am I just bad?

Also, is Baron glitched right now? It just did 600 damage to me in 3 seconds.

Rumble is a hard counter to Akali. It's not even close.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Prev 1 131 132 133 134 135 288 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #20
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft651
NeuroSwarm 180
Nina 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 5393
Rain 3151
GuemChi 2234
Leta 123
Sexy 57
yabsab 28
Noble 20
Icarus 9
Britney 0
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 585
Counter-Strike
summit1g8115
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King142
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick718
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2141
League of Legends
• Lourlo1219
• Rush974
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
5h 22m
The Patches Monday
10h 22m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 6h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-08
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.