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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 21 2012 20:04 GMT
#2681
On June 22 2012 03:31 Alaric wrote:
How does Wukong do great against Rumble? You can't disengage if you use E to engage, as you'll simply eat the whole flamethrower, even if you use W.

wukong has a huge advantage at 6 and from then on rumble has to play super safe. why? because wukong ult is op as shit and makes rumble q do 0 damage. so if there is a fight to the death wukong will always win.
GANDHISAUCE
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 20:11:05
June 21 2012 20:04 GMT
#2682
On June 22 2012 04:54 Flakes wrote:
Yi should've done the "reverse Kennen build" of 2drings --> AD bruiser

With the 2 drings he still ate about half his health with my combo, which he healed with medidate, but that meant he couldn't come near me and that if I wanted to kill him my full combo would almost 100-0 him. So unless he went for armor right after, he was dead.

How does Wu's ult counter flamethrower? Because you can use the knock-up to position behind him, and keep tha position thanks to the speed boost?

Edit: and regarding poke I guess Xerath qualifies too? It's kinda funny how we were all saying he's secret OP all this time, and nobody ever picked him up while Anivia and AP Kog were proven to be godlike at that.
Also AP Nidalee.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 21 2012 20:08 GMT
#2683
On June 22 2012 04:59 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

Heimer;p

People dont expect when you rocket them for it do like half their health
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 20:22:09
June 21 2012 20:20 GMT
#2684
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.
edit2: cept i guess most people don't really play her ap mid... 1-3-4 last time i tried it.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 20:27:14
June 21 2012 20:24 GMT
#2685
On June 22 2012 05:20 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.

Also Kennen, AP Ez, Orianna, Victor, Lux and midalee. Xerath's poke is kinda overrated, I think of him as having a strong burst combo with the option to poke as a bonus.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 21 2012 20:32 GMT
#2686
On June 22 2012 05:24 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 05:20 wussleeQ wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.

Also Kennen, AP Ez, Orianna, Victor, Lux and midalee. Xerath's poke is kinda overrated, I think of him as having a strong burst combo with the option to poke as a bonus.


Lux is (imo) the greatest AP poke champion beside AP kog. Long range CC/AOE, LASER with 24 seconds cooldown, and good utility with her shield. She can build AP only and still survive every battle.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 21 2012 20:48 GMT
#2687
On June 22 2012 05:04 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:54 Flakes wrote:
Yi should've done the "reverse Kennen build" of 2drings --> AD bruiser

With the 2 drings he still ate about half his health with my combo, which he healed with medidate, but that meant he couldn't come near me and that if I wanted to kill him my full combo would almost 100-0 him. So unless he went for armor right after, he was dead.

How does Wu's ult counter flamethrower? Because you can use the knock-up to position behind him, and keep tha position thanks to the speed boost?

Edit: and regarding poke I guess Xerath qualifies too? It's kinda funny how we were all saying he's secret OP all this time, and nobody ever picked him up while Anivia and AP Kog were proven to be godlike at that.
Also AP Nidalee.


Between Ziggs and some shifts in AP carry expectations, Xerath probably doesn't count as secret OP anymore. He's underplayed for certain, but in a lot of ways he's just inferior to Ziggs. What makes it funnier is that Ziggs is also underplayed despite being the next best thing to Karthus/TF for global map presence.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 21 2012 21:06 GMT
#2688
On June 22 2012 05:32 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 05:24 Flakes wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:20 wussleeQ wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.

Also Kennen, AP Ez, Orianna, Victor, Lux and midalee. Xerath's poke is kinda overrated, I think of him as having a strong burst combo with the option to poke as a bonus.


Lux is (imo) the greatest AP poke champion beside AP kog. Long range CC/AOE, LASER with 24 seconds cooldown, and good utility with her shield. She can build AP only and still survive every battle.

Lux shield is seriously hidden OP. 300 HP shield for your entire team every ~7s? Yes pls.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
June 21 2012 21:14 GMT
#2689
On June 22 2012 05:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 05:04 Alaric wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:54 Flakes wrote:
Yi should've done the "reverse Kennen build" of 2drings --> AD bruiser

With the 2 drings he still ate about half his health with my combo, which he healed with medidate, but that meant he couldn't come near me and that if I wanted to kill him my full combo would almost 100-0 him. So unless he went for armor right after, he was dead.

How does Wu's ult counter flamethrower? Because you can use the knock-up to position behind him, and keep tha position thanks to the speed boost?

Edit: and regarding poke I guess Xerath qualifies too? It's kinda funny how we were all saying he's secret OP all this time, and nobody ever picked him up while Anivia and AP Kog were proven to be godlike at that.
Also AP Nidalee.


Between Ziggs and some shifts in AP carry expectations, Xerath probably doesn't count as secret OP anymore. He's underplayed for certain, but in a lot of ways he's just inferior to Ziggs. What makes it funnier is that Ziggs is also underplayed despite being the next best thing to Karthus/TF for global map presence.

i dunno why more people play ziggs. i didnt realize it either till one fucking carried his team 1v5 against me. his damage is fucking redic
jaedong the man with the huge dong
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
June 21 2012 21:20 GMT
#2690
On June 22 2012 06:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 05:32 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:24 Flakes wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:20 wussleeQ wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.

Also Kennen, AP Ez, Orianna, Victor, Lux and midalee. Xerath's poke is kinda overrated, I think of him as having a strong burst combo with the option to poke as a bonus.


Lux is (imo) the greatest AP poke champion beside AP kog. Long range CC/AOE, LASER with 24 seconds cooldown, and good utility with her shield. She can build AP only and still survive every battle.

Lux shield is seriously hidden OP. 300 HP shield for your entire team every ~7s? Yes pls.



Skillshot shield that your allies dodge?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 21 2012 21:43 GMT
#2691
On June 22 2012 06:20 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 06:06 Shikyo wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:32 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:24 Flakes wrote:
On June 22 2012 05:20 wussleeQ wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:58 kongoline wrote:
are there any good poke ap mids except obvious ones like ziggs and kog?

TF, Gragas, Heimer, and Morg if you count her binding that as a poke lol.

edit: derp nidalee. forgot that one.

Also Kennen, AP Ez, Orianna, Victor, Lux and midalee. Xerath's poke is kinda overrated, I think of him as having a strong burst combo with the option to poke as a bonus.


Lux is (imo) the greatest AP poke champion beside AP kog. Long range CC/AOE, LASER with 24 seconds cooldown, and good utility with her shield. She can build AP only and still survive every battle.

Lux shield is seriously hidden OP. 300 HP shield for your entire team every ~7s? Yes pls.



Skillshot shield that your allies dodge?

^true story.

teammates are so good at dodging my shield, but always seem to get hit by morgana bindings.

can't explain that.
liftlift > tsm
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 21 2012 21:47 GMT
#2692
Dunno, dark binding has a pretty massive hitbox, I'm always amazed by some of the hits. It isn't terribly flashy either. Whereas Lux's shield is super flashy and spinning, so it's like engrained into people they have to dodge it.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 21 2012 21:58 GMT
#2693
On June 22 2012 04:28 seanisgrand wrote:
My god Yorick is a stupid champ. I'm going to ride this train as far as it can get me.

Oh gawd, another yorick player. Seriously, GD threads need to have an extra spoiler list, listing all known yorick players, as to be socially excommunicated.

liftlift > tsm
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
June 21 2012 22:08 GMT
#2694
On June 22 2012 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:28 seanisgrand wrote:
My god Yorick is a stupid champ. I'm going to ride this train as far as it can get me.

Oh gawd, another yorick player. Seriously, GD threads need to have an extra spoiler list, listing all known yorick players, as to be socially excommunicated.



Haha! Yes let's do it. :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 21 2012 22:10 GMT
#2695
On June 22 2012 07:08 Zhiroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 22 2012 04:28 seanisgrand wrote:
My god Yorick is a stupid champ. I'm going to ride this train as far as it can get me.

Oh gawd, another yorick player. Seriously, GD threads need to have an extra spoiler list, listing all known yorick players, as to be socially excommunicated.



Haha! Yes let's do it. :D


If I only jungle yorick, do I still get excomm'd?
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#2696
Add me to that list!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#2697
What si the shortcut/key to display the pop-up with the stats of a champ in obs mode (containing the same informations as when you click your portrait when you play)? I didn't find it in the help, nor with trial-and-error, and I'd like to check on random stuff like ArPen and others to determine people's setups.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 22:13:12
June 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#2698
neo PMed me. if you don't ever play yorick you get mod privileges
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 22:15:41
June 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#2699
I've figured it out! I've started putting on instrumental music and forcing myself to smile when I have one of "those teams". Eventually my body just chills out, and I stop caring about everything else. It's actually quite fun to play the game.

On June 22 2012 07:12 UniversalSnip wrote:
neo PMed me. if you don't ever play yorick you get mod privileges


Score
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#2700
I only ever played pre-buff Yorick, and only as a jungler. Does that count?
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