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On May 12 2012 02:47 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 02:42 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 12 2012 02:38 overt wrote:I'm glad to see that TL has gotten back into 1v1 challenges to prove points.  I should run a weekly show where we take all these arguments into 1v1 showmatches with livebetting. Get Fakesteve and Chill to commentate it. I'd watch it. Fuck dat. Im commentating that shit.
And since 3 man announcing booths are unwieldy (see Basketball Association, National) it would leave room for 1 more person.
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On May 12 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 02:49 Slayer91 wrote: -No jungler presence to worry about. -Game going on - i.e freezing lane is ALWAYS good -No practice in teamfighting
I think solo queue is much better practice for a real game. 1v1s are only about 1/2 of the skill of laning and you still miss things like going down to dragon and roaming if they try to freeze that sort of thing.
For some very delicate matchups its a good idea but for your average top lane where its not particularly snowbally either way I think solo queue is much better.
Of course it's not 100% indicative of a real game. Nobody is stupid enough to think that. Have you played any competitive sport? Drilling WORKS. EVERY sport has practice regimens centered around simple drills that train specific aspects of play. Isolating practice points around specific aspects of the game lets you focus on problems related to that aspect of the game, and do so in a time-efficient manner because drills let you practice those techniques 10 times more quickly than playing complete games. You don't work on your 3-pointers in Basketball just by playing pickup games and hoping to see scenarios that are relevant. You drill your 3-pointer over and over until you've mastered the drill, THEN you adapt it to a real game. Shooting 3-pointers with nobody blocking you is obviously not 100% indicative of a real game, but it's important to hone down the simple scenario first, and adapt it to a real game.
You've got a good point there.
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The yango laying down the law!
I really like working out match up with my friends, especially since my laning phase is my major weak point. You can grind out 4x the amount of lane phases in 1v1's than you could just solo queuing.
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It's one of those things where I think, unfortunately, streaming for money and really improving at the game are somewhat at odds.
No doubt if Hotshot and Dyrus spent a couple hours drilling 1v1s against each other they would get a lot of useful practice. But at the same time, I'm sure they'd lose a lot of stream views because watching the first 5 minutes of the same 1v1 matchup 10-15 times is fairly boring.
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On May 12 2012 03:22 TheYango wrote: It's one of those things where I think, unfortunately, streaming for money and really improving at the game are somewhat at odds.
No doubt if Hotshot and Dyrus spent a couple hours drilling 1v1s against each other they would get a lot of useful practice. But at the same time, I'm sure they'd lose a lot of stream views because watching the first 5 minutes of the same 1v1 matchup 10-15 times is fairly boring. I dunno about that. It isnt as though the laning phase is particularly, erm, riviting.
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What do you guys think the most retarded mirror matchups are, some of them can get pretty lulzy
i've played Akali vs Akali which is pretty hilarious with both of you sitting in stealth bubble waiting for someone to chicken out, and then zipping all over the lane bouncing off creeps once you start buying pink wards.
Veigar vs Veigar is retarded as people have commented, whoever lands stun instagibs the other one, you both end up with veils and sashes and end up instagibbing each other due to ult projectile speed.
Fizz vs Fizz is real tricky with picking your one moment to trollpole, as you can use it to dodge each others ults and everything else.
Garen vs Garen is flat out fucking retarded, silencing each other and spinning on top of each other praying they die first.
I havent played too many others
LB vs LB sounds like a real test of mechanics
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Yorick v Yorick makes me want to smash my face against the wall.
And talon v talon sucks pretty bad too, although I was playing vs Pobelter that game...
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On May 12 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 02:49 Slayer91 wrote: -No jungler presence to worry about. -Game going on - i.e freezing lane is ALWAYS good -No practice in teamfighting
I think solo queue is much better practice for a real game. 1v1s are only about 1/2 of the skill of laning and you still miss things like going down to dragon and roaming if they try to freeze that sort of thing.
For some very delicate matchups its a good idea but for your average top lane where its not particularly snowbally either way I think solo queue is much better.
Of course it's not 100% indicative of a real game. Nobody is stupid enough to think that. Have you played any competitive sport? Drilling WORKS. EVERY sport has practice regimens centered around simple drills that train specific aspects of play. Isolating practice points around specific aspects of the game lets you focus on problems related to that aspect of the game, and do so in a time-efficient manner because drills let you practice those techniques 10 times more quickly than playing complete games. You don't work on your 3-pointers in Basketball just by playing pickup games and hoping to see scenarios that are relevant. You drill your 3-pointer over and over until you've mastered the drill, THEN you adapt it to a real game. Shooting 3-pointers with nobody blocking you is obviously not 100% indicative of a real game, but it's important to hone down the simple scenario first, and adapt it to a real game.
Your analogy is so flawed it's not even funny. Shooting 3 pointers is like working on your mechanics. Playing 1v1 is like 1 on 1 in basketball.
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Cho is 100% a CC meat bag in the late game if you build pure tank, you just soak up damage in team fights and try to land as much CC as possible and occasionally feasting a low HP enemy.
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On May 12 2012 02:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 02:38 overt wrote:I'm glad to see that TL has gotten back into 1v1 challenges to prove points.  I should run a weekly show where we take all these arguments into 1v1 showmatches with livebetting. This is actually a great idea, save for the betting. Watching the 1v1 tourney from a while back was a lot of fun. I'll play in the first round! edit: Could put up a $5 rp prize every week if people chip in or something.
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On May 12 2012 03:27 0123456789 wrote: Your analogy is so flawed it's not even funny. Shooting 3 pointers is like working on your mechanics. Playing 1v1 is like 1 on 1 in basketball. K I guess numbers knows better than Na'vi's DotA team and Chinese DotA and LoL teams.
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What's wrong with 1 on 1 in basketball?
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On May 12 2012 03:30 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 02:42 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 12 2012 02:38 overt wrote:I'm glad to see that TL has gotten back into 1v1 challenges to prove points.  I should run a weekly show where we take all these arguments into 1v1 showmatches with livebetting. This is actually a great idea, save for the betting. Watching the 1v1 tourney from a while back was a lot of fun. I'll play in the first round! edit: Could put up a $5 rp prize every week if people chip in or something. The only prize will be TL epeen length. Everyone gets to start with (_)_)=D. Winning extends your penis by one increment. Losing decreases it.
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I'm going to have to agree with yango here and say that I'm fucking retarded.
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On May 12 2012 03:25 sob3k wrote: What do you guys think the most retarded mirror matchups are, some of them can get pretty lulzy
i've played Akali vs Akali which is pretty hilarious with both of you sitting in stealth bubble waiting for someone to chicken out, and then zipping all over the lane bouncing off creeps once you start buying pink wards.
Veigar vs Veigar is retarded as people have commented, whoever lands stun instagibs the other one, you both end up with veils and sashes and end up instagibbing each other due to ult projectile speed.
Fizz vs Fizz is real tricky with picking your one moment to trollpole, as you can use it to dodge each others ults and everything else.
Garen vs Garen is flat out fucking retarded, silencing each other and spinning on top of each other praying they die first.
I havent played too many others
LB vs LB sounds like a real test of mechanics Basically anything with either burst or two tanks is really stupid. Either one side instantly kills the other and it snowballs or neither side can ever kill the other.
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And Gosupepper dcs at level 5.
M5 concedes first game by laying mass wards to spell WP in their own base.
Disappointing game.
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Did gosupepper ragequit this TSM game? I wasn't watching but if so then M5 REALLY need to get their shit together.
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On May 12 2012 03:45 HazMat wrote: Did gosupepper ragequit this TSM game? I wasn't watching but if so then M5 REALLY need to get their shit together.
No, he DC'd. The game actually got delayed for 2 hours because TSM can't get their shit together.
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On May 12 2012 03:45 HazMat wrote: Did gosupepper ragequit this TSM game? I wasn't watching but if so then M5 REALLY need to get their shit together.
I very much doubt it.
M5 won a team fight at their own blue, kills were 2-2 and they picked up first dragon then he dc'd shortly after.
I see no reason for rage quit.
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