EPTOn March 11 2012 14:18 Terranasaur wrote:
Rammus. Warwick. Mundo. Shyvana. Amumu. Volibear.
Rammus. Warwick. Mundo. Shyvana. Amumu. Volibear.
Malphite does okay as well. And since when was WW, Shyv even remotely considered "tanks"?
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Malphite does okay as well. And since when was WW, Shyv even remotely considered "tanks"? | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:28 wei2coolman wrote: Malphite does okay as well. And since when was WW, Shyv even remotely considered "tanks"? if you are going to refer to them as bruisers, have to take out mundo and volibear too as their disruption is pretty limited if at all. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:28 wei2coolman wrote: Malphite does okay as well. And since when was WW, Shyv even remotely considered "tanks"? I dunno I think they are pretty tanky. And they jump in the middle of team fights and wreck people... | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
It is a meaningless distinction that only serves to confuse Riot and make them create subpar champions. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:18 Terranasaur wrote: Rammus. Warwick. Mundo. Shyvana. Amumu. Volibear. I asked because I'm finding it hard to do as WW | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
She a tank in that you have to target her or she gonna chunk your entire team with AoE, rather than a tank in that you have to target her because she going to CC the hell out of your Carries so they do no damage. Same role, really. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:38 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I asked because I'm finding it hard to do as WW WW has ridiculously fast jungle, and is one of the best farmers.... If you feel that you're behind in farm, offer to hold lanes for teammates, and take their cs as they B. And usually post 6, you either shove someone out of their lane, or straight up kill them. If either of these happen, help your teammates push the lane super hard to deny XP and gold. This will also increase your gold intake. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:38 iCanada wrote: Shyvana is a tank. She gets free MR/Armor from her ulti so if you itemize even a little bit of HP you are almost unkillable. She a tank in that you have to target her or she gonna chunk your entire team with AoE, rather than a tank in that you have to target her because she going to CC the hell out of your Carries so they do no damage. Same role, really. So she's a tanky champion that does damage? Therefore she's a bruiser. People have discussed it a lot on these forums but the term tank is super vague in LoL because while there are champions that can tank they also do other things such as deal damage or initiate fights. I feel like the separation between characters who are "tanks" and characters who are "tanky dps" or bruisers is so negligible that it doesn't even matter. Like, is Cho'Gath a tank or a bruiser? Does it depend on how you build him, like if you go full tank is he suddenly just a tank or if you build a more traditional RoA/Wit's + tank items build is he now suddenly a bruiser? 'Cause the way that most people build Cho'Gath he's going to do just as much, maybe more, damage as other bruisers will. Same can be said for Shyvana, Warwick, Mundo, and tons of other champions that people would consider "tanks." | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:43 overt wrote: So she's a tanky champion that does damage? Therefore she's a bruiser. People have discussed it a lot on these forums but the term tank is super vague in LoL because while there are champions that can tank they also do other things such as deal damage or initiate fights. I feel like the separation between characters who are "tanks" and characters who are "tanky dps" or bruisers is so negligible that it doesn't even matter. Like, is Cho'Gath a tank or a bruiser? Does it depend on how you build him, like if you go full tank is he suddenly just a tank or if you build a more traditional RoA/Wit's + tank items build is he now suddenly a bruiser? 'Cause the way that most people build Cho'Gath he's going to do just as much, maybe more, damage as other bruisers will. Same can be said for Shyvana, Warwick, Mundo, and tons of other champions that people would consider "tanks." Why does it matter if we call them a Bruiser/Tank/Bologna Sandwich? zzzz At the end of the day they still absorb damage and disrupt things. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:52 iCanada wrote: Why does it matter if we call them a Bruiser/Tank/Bologna Sandwich? zzzz At the end of the day they still absorb damage and disrupt things. It matters because people will call a champion like Cho'gath or Shen or Mundo a tank but refer to Irelia or Gangplank or Olaf as a bruiser. Which leads to a lot of confusion because there's literally no difference in what those above champions do. They tank damage, disrupt fights, and dish out damage. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
@hidden_motives: What specifically are you having trouble with as WW? I find that he is extremely easy to get farmed in the jungle. I start wolves -> blue and try to get 6 as fast as I can. At that point, every time my ult is up I show up to a lane and jump on someone. Usually, this gets a kill and at the very least, they will have to dash, flash, and ghost to get away, so you just take as much CS as you can while pushing the lane to the tower. TD can probably offer more tips, I think he plays a lot of WW... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:56 overt wrote: It matters because people will call a champion like Cho'gath or Shen or Mundo a tank but refer to Irelia or Gangplank or Olaf as a bruiser. Which leads to a lot of confusion because there's literally no difference in what those above champions do. They tank damage, disrupt fights, and dish out damage. my loose definition has always been that defensive, bulky folks fall under the tank umbrella and offensive bulky fellas fall under the bruiser umbrella. Trying to really categorize a champ into a role is kinda difficult tho, kus there's a ton of overlap and there's even more flexibility with most champs. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On March 11 2012 15:17 barbsq wrote: my loose definition has always been that defensive, bulky folks fall under the tank umbrella and offensive bulky fellas fall under the bruiser umbrella. Trying to really categorize a champ into a role is kinda difficult tho, kus there's a ton of overlap and there's even more flexibility with most champs. Exactly. And it's not like you build the exact items in the exact order every time. Just like we decided a few pages ago that anyone with IE/PD/LW will do tons of damage, anyone with a bunch of tank items can take a ton of damage. No sense in arguing what is what. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:58 Terranasaur wrote: Good hell I wish we could spend less time in this thread arguing pointless semantics. @hidden_motives: What specifically are you having trouble with as WW? I find that he is extremely easy to get farmed in the jungle. I start wolves -> blue and try to get 6 as fast as I can. At that point, every time my ult is up I show up to a lane and jump on someone. Usually, this gets a kill and at the very least, they will have to dash, flash, and ghost to get away, so you just take as much CS as you can while pushing the lane to the tower. TD can probably offer more tips, I think he plays a lot of WW... I start blue and used to build either wriggles or wits into some defensive items. Now I get at least a few offensive items before my GA. WW feels really strong. Love his ganks and his lategame just catching people. I've been trying bilgewater, Triforce, madreds br, FH, thornmail, and now want to try GA. Bilgewater makes every gank work, but it leaves me in the dust on CS. I also max Q. Is there anything wrong with any of this? | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
I'm building runepages, and I got the most basic stuff covered. Wondering what I should buy next. I play 95% of the time jungler, rarely toplane, sometimes support and never AD/AP carry. I have: Marks: ArPen Armor (for support page) AD AS Seals: Armor Glyphs: MR/lvl AS Quints: MS AS GP10 AP Armor AD Spellvamp | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On March 11 2012 15:46 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I start blue and used to build either wriggles or wits into some defensive items. Now I get at least a few offensive items before my GA. WW feels really strong. Love his ganks and his lategame just catching people. I've been trying bilgewater, Triforce, madreds br, FH, thornmail, and now want to try GA. Bilgewater makes every gank work, but it leaves me in the dust on CS. I also max Q. Is there anything wrong with any of this? Q is standard. FH is core I'd say. Triforce is common. MBR is common. GA is excellent. Thornmail and Bilgewater are where you lose me. In general, Thornmail is an item I only get when I absolutely need it, eg, 3-4 auto attackers on the other team. Bilgewater is an item I've never gotten on WW, but I don't think it's a good idea. Lategame I almost always have like 250 CS and a bunch of kills and assists on him so I've basically got money coming out my lil wolf ears and having ~3300 gold tied up in two slots for thornmail and bilgewater is just not ideal. I know the slow is cool, but phage is better overall, and it builds into that awesome triforce. If CS is your issue, I think a faster Wits End could be a solution. Try that out and return and report. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On March 11 2012 16:01 Celial wrote: Hey guys, I'm building runepages, and I got the most basic stuff covered. Wondering what I should buy next. I play 95% of the time jungler, rarely toplane, sometimes support and never AD/AP carry. I have: Marks: ArPen Armor (for support page) AD AS Seals: Armor Glyphs: MR/lvl AS Quints: MS AS GP10 AP Armor AD Spellvamp maybe flat mr glyphs? you've got a lot of stuff really. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On March 11 2012 16:01 Celial wrote: Hey guys, I'm building runepages, and I got the most basic stuff covered. Wondering what I should buy next. I play 95% of the time jungler, rarely toplane, sometimes support and never AD/AP carry. I have: Marks: ArPen Armor (for support page) AD AS Seals: Armor Glyphs: MR/lvl AS Quints: MS AS GP10 AP Armor AD Spellvamp You have all the runes you will ever want. The only things you'd ever want are the champs that take special pages Ryze mana and Galio Mr. That or lulz pages like a full regen page, which can be fun but obscenely expensive, | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
On March 11 2012 16:01 Celial wrote: Hey guys, I'm building runepages, and I got the most basic stuff covered. Wondering what I should buy next. I play 95% of the time jungler, rarely toplane, sometimes support and never AD/AP carry. I have: Marks: ArPen Armor (for support page) AD AS Seals: Armor Glyphs: MR/lvl AS Quints: MS AS GP10 AP Armor AD Spellvamp Flat MR, Crit runes, ArP Quints, MPen Marks, AP/lvl are all used for various tops. Unless you never play ap tops/fiddle in which case don't get those. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 11 2012 14:56 overt wrote: It matters because people will call a champion like Cho'gath or Shen or Mundo a tank but refer to Irelia or Gangplank or Olaf as a bruiser. Which leads to a lot of confusion because there's literally no difference in what those above champions do. They tank damage, disrupt fights, and dish out damage. Cho and shen disrupt the entire team, mundo not so much. GP doesn't really disrupt he just runs in your face and does lots of damage while being really tanky. Poppy/leona tanks cuz they have sword n board. Pantheon tank cuz he has a humongous shield. Instead of an AP/soraka farmlane bot, how about GP/soraka bot with plenty of mana and heals? | ||
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