EPT[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 101
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 10 2012 16:17 Juicyfruit wrote: If you look at the stats only, 2 doran's shield give almost as much health as a heart of gold and as much HP regen as a philo stone, and gives you 20 more armor to boot. However, it really depends how much as a support you feel like you actually need the full efficiency of the stats at all. I guess from the point of view of most top support players, even if gp10 items are initially inefficient, they're "good enough" at least that you won't get outlaned in any significant way just because you bought a HoG and the other support got 2 dorans. Kujaa went tripple dring as sona and got destroyed, people always bring up these things when discussing gp10 vs dorans on support so I thought I'd do it too. | ||
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Akinokaze
Australia326 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
The general discussion is a vicious cycle of hell. New topic, forcing poppy to work in comps, will this start happening more? Also, what are people's opinion on the youtube series "ult in ten" I find it facinating the thought process behind pro-lol players, and their decisions. reminds me of day9's friendsday wednesday. | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On March 10 2012 19:03 wei2coolman wrote: Y we talk about gp10 again? :O The general discussion is a vicious cycle of hell. Yeah it was already discussed a few months ago. Basically, you can buy gold/10 and place ward and shit like everyone does. Or you can buy Dorans and be more agressive and then get more assists. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 10 2012 19:03 wei2coolman wrote: New topic, forcing poppy to work in comps, will this start happening more? Not so much forcing. If the enemy picked a top/jungle combination that allows poppy to farm (not all that unlikely these days), then you pick Poppy and send her top with defense/regen setup. Since top lane champs in general have become a bit weaker while Poppy wasn't touched, and the new low rank defense masteries fit her so well, her relative strength has increased. A farmed Poppy is game ending unless the enemy team can focus a bunch of silences on her before she gets to ult a good target. She will most likely need a nerf soon. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:40 Two_DoWn wrote: Spread aura items to WHO though. Mid already gets wota. Jungle cant get aegis because they need to spend money building towards the few items they actually can afford to get so that they actually scale into late game. Aegis just doesnt fit into that. Id rather have wits if I needed mr, Wriggles if I need armor, or Phage or HoG if I need health. Top could get aegis, but they arent ever in any fights anyway, so why bother. Whats left for auras? Shurelias, but bot actually gets that cuz it doesnt suck. Randuins gets grabbed by jungle/top. Zekes and Locket both are underwhelming. There are plenty of junglers who can get Aegis. Not all should, but I think it's a perfectly fine purchase on junglers like Rammus, Nautilus, Alistar, or Maokai. Basically any heavy CC/support jungler who you aren't necessarily counting on for damage. But, as TheYango pointed out earlier, it's something you get by the mid-game or not at all. It also has significantly less value in solo queue or at lower rankings where teams coordinate/group up less. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On March 10 2012 19:25 -Zoda- wrote: Yeah it was already discussed a few months ago. Basically, you can buy gold/10 and place ward and shit like everyone does. Or you can buy Dorans and be more agressive and then get more assists. just save your money for big items roa, abyssal, deathcap, rylai be a threat either through damage or through survivability meaning more imba skill spamming wards are a waste of money when everyone buys oracles these days anyway save that money for early catalyst, win your lane singlehandedly that's gonna be the next trend, WATCH | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 10 2012 19:36 gtrsrs wrote: just save your money for big items roa, abyssal, deathcap, rylai be a threat either through damage or through survivability meaning more imba skill spamming wards are a waste of money when everyone buys oracles these days anyway save that money for early catalyst, win your lane singlehandedly that's gonna be the next trend, WATCH You want to win the lane singlehandedly and you choose Cata for a duo laner? Good one. Cassiopeia support is going to shake bot lane. I (Trist) played with one recently and we just killed Blitzstar over and over. If only there wasn't such a strong argument for sending her mid... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:40 Two_DoWn wrote: Jungle cant get aegis because they need to spend money building towards the few items they actually can afford to get so that they actually scale into late game. Aegis just doesnt fit into that. Id rather have wits if I needed mr, Wriggles if I need armor, or Phage or HoG if I need health. Maybe it's psychological, but I always feel that Aegis is like 10x more effective for me as a jungler than buying any other combination of similar survivability items. So I don't really feel like any of your "rather haves" are appropriate, because I'd rather have Aegis than any of those. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
Fact is from playing support champions like sona with farm I've found out that the support builds are actually superior - ap is trash on her anyway, CDR/tank items let you be the most effective in teamfights, turns out shurelyas/hog/chalice/aegis is like really really tanky and max regen and cdr with good auras and it's the kind of fairly lategame build you'd have on sona when you have a lot of assists. AP isn't the most amazing stat on janna either it turns out living longer usually works better for supports, and gold items make a lot of sense since they keep you with mana and hp to spam your spells in teamfights. If you're talking about kage pick instead of saving for a big item, sure, but nobody builds kage pick, people rush hog so they can do well in burst lanes and get philo after to save some extra gold for shurelyas. (a lot of people rush philo first because it's 200 gold cheaper to get the gp/10 but I don't think it's worth it honestly) EDIT: Poppy isn't as situational as you think, she can just stack armour against people like riven and farm fine, the only problem is she can't push well which means you have to worry about counterjungle tops but that's fine if you have someone like udyr who can clear all his jungle and push top eaisly if needed. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
In fact all the gp10 legendary items are great. Except GB they don't need a lot of other items to be useful. DFG always does 30% damage to a target. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Juddas
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 10 2012 23:59 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I think that without gp10 items supports just don't have the gold for wards. They also need some survivability. In that sense HoG is a fantastic item that builds into a powerful randuins omen. In fact all the gp10 legendary items are great. Except GB they don't need a lot of other items to be useful. DFG always does 30% damage to a target. HoG doesn't miraculously give you a ton of money. It takes a while until it actually generates any money compared to other items with similar stats. Especially compared to Doran's items or non-basic items which typically are more efficient than basic items which the cost efficiency of g/10 items is usually compared to. Therefore a g/10 item puts you BEHIND on ward money for quite a while. Randuin's hardly ever is an item a support gets. It's an item for people who don't avoid getting attacked by ranged ADs so the passive can proc. Supports also hardly ever are in range to hit the active on the enemy ranged AD, so at best it's gonna hit a Nocturne and that's pretty much it. Now that there's Zeke's, HoG has gotten a lot more legitimacy, but surely not because it builds into Randuin's. DFG is bad if you don't have additional AP and MPen. And Supports will typically only be able to target rather high MR enemies with it. It's crap on supports. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On March 11 2012 00:18 Craton wrote: DFG is still affected by MR and on champions without mpen and AP (aka supports) it does almost nothing. So is it bad that I run Mpen reds on supports? | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On March 11 2012 01:06 57 Corvette wrote: So is it bad that I run Mpen reds on supports? It depends on the support. Janna and Soraka won't so much with MPen, but Sona can. | ||
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United States3216 Posts
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