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Looks like Team OP... got nerfed.
Grats to Xenics Storm, they played very well. I think Cornsalad is a little over-confident in his Kassadin play. IIRC, every game he played Kass he went Catalyst into Soulstealer regardless of his score. He was 0/3 today when he finished the Mejais today.
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it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances
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On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances
Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing.
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On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing.
tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you
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On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you
The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health.
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On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health.
Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8.
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On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8.
And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him.
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Shit I missed it 
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On May 10 2012 00:04 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8. And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him.
You need to outbully your lane to get any farm. Mejais sucks balls at this.
Mejais is also not really cost effecient 6 (break even is at 5.439 compared to blasting wand) because even if the AP is cost efficient in LoL in comparison to blasting wands it is not cost effecient vs death cap which is 18 gold / ap compared to blasting wands ap which is at 21.5 ap/ gold this is at 0 ap. Big items are vastly more cost efficient compared to base items (excluding dorans items) the break even in AP at 0 ap mejais vs deathcap is 6.875 stacks. Not to mention that mejais has a build up time before its efficient.
RoA is also vastly more stats/gold efficient than death cap.
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On May 10 2012 01:23 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 00:04 Niton wrote:On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8. And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him. You need to outbully your lane to get any farm. Mejais sucks balls at this. Mejais is also not really cost effecient 6 (break even is at 5.439 compared to blasting wand) because even if the AP is cost efficient in LoL in comparison to blasting wands it is not cost effecient vs death cap which is 18 gold / ap compared to blasting wands ap which is at 21.5 ap/ gold this is at 0 ap. Big items are vastly more cost efficient compared to base items (excluding dorans items) the break even in AP at 0 ap mejais vs deathcap is 6.875 stacks. Not to mention that mejais has a build up time before its efficient. RoA is also vastly more stats/gold efficient than death cap.
Then why does cornsalad get it so often?
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On May 10 2012 01:46 sharky246 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 01:23 Eppa! wrote:On May 10 2012 00:04 Niton wrote:On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8. And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him. You need to outbully your lane to get any farm. Mejais sucks balls at this. Mejais is also not really cost effecient 6 (break even is at 5.439 compared to blasting wand) because even if the AP is cost efficient in LoL in comparison to blasting wands it is not cost effecient vs death cap which is 18 gold / ap compared to blasting wands ap which is at 21.5 ap/ gold this is at 0 ap. Big items are vastly more cost efficient compared to base items (excluding dorans items) the break even in AP at 0 ap mejais vs deathcap is 6.875 stacks. Not to mention that mejais has a build up time before its efficient. RoA is also vastly more stats/gold efficient than death cap. Then why does cornsalad get it so often?
Because when your better then your opponent and able to bully them around its a great item.
Tobad your enemy at a tournament is just as good as you or better and now you wasted 1200 gold.
Mejais lets you stomp noobs even harder then you would otherwise but will not let you beat a better player and will probably make you lose even harder. Thats the problem with it.
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On May 10 2012 02:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 01:46 sharky246 wrote:On May 10 2012 01:23 Eppa! wrote:On May 10 2012 00:04 Niton wrote:On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8. And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him. You need to outbully your lane to get any farm. Mejais sucks balls at this. Mejais is also not really cost effecient 6 (break even is at 5.439 compared to blasting wand) because even if the AP is cost efficient in LoL in comparison to blasting wands it is not cost effecient vs death cap which is 18 gold / ap compared to blasting wands ap which is at 21.5 ap/ gold this is at 0 ap. Big items are vastly more cost efficient compared to base items (excluding dorans items) the break even in AP at 0 ap mejais vs deathcap is 6.875 stacks. Not to mention that mejais has a build up time before its efficient. RoA is also vastly more stats/gold efficient than death cap. Then why does cornsalad get it so often? Because when your better then your opponent and able to bully them around its a great item. Tobad your enemy at a tournament is just as good as you or better and now you wasted 1200 gold. Mejais lets you stomp noobs even harder then you would otherwise but will not let you beat a better player and will probably make you lose even harder. Thats the problem with it.
And do you think that cornsalad thought he was better than his opponent and thought he could bully them around? That he was opting to 'stomp noobs even harder than he would otherwise' and knowingly put himself in a position where he would not be abled to beat a better player and lose harder? And what about his teammates? Wouldn't you think they and the coach would consult with him about buying mejai?
Hope locodoco comes here and gives us an answer.
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On May 10 2012 02:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 01:46 sharky246 wrote:On May 10 2012 01:23 Eppa! wrote:On May 10 2012 00:04 Niton wrote:On May 09 2012 23:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On May 09 2012 23:46 Shikyo wrote:On May 09 2012 23:40 sharky246 wrote:On May 09 2012 22:45 Gorsameth wrote:On May 09 2012 22:29 sharky246 wrote:
it's a good item man. And he buys it all the time, regardless of circumstances Considering how fast pro games snowball combined with the number of kills needed just to make it efficient it really isnt that good of an item. It will make you win games you would win while preventing you from making comebacks as easy do to wasted gold when your losing. tell that to cornsalad, he'll have alot to tell you The "he's a better player than you" card? Even in the games where he DOMINATED his mejai only became cost-effective after like 20 minutes. 20 minutes of more AP might have translated into more kills / harrass and a larger advantage by the time his mejai finally got even. In the endgame it really doesn't matter if your AP is 800 or 740(Comparing to Haunting Guise, Mejai becomes better at like... 15 stacks? And doesn't even give health. Mejaj is cost effective with 6 stacks I think. 6 or 8. And Kassadin is a champion that relies on snowballing to begin with - if he's not keeping a good kill/death ratio, you're probably not winning the game regardless. And Kassadin is kind of terrible at farming, so the idea of 100+ AP for 1235g is very strong. There's just so many things about Kassadin that combine to make Mejai's actually good on him. You need to outbully your lane to get any farm. Mejais sucks balls at this. Mejais is also not really cost effecient 6 (break even is at 5.439 compared to blasting wand) because even if the AP is cost efficient in LoL in comparison to blasting wands it is not cost effecient vs death cap which is 18 gold / ap compared to blasting wands ap which is at 21.5 ap/ gold this is at 0 ap. Big items are vastly more cost efficient compared to base items (excluding dorans items) the break even in AP at 0 ap mejais vs deathcap is 6.875 stacks. Not to mention that mejais has a build up time before its efficient. RoA is also vastly more stats/gold efficient than death cap. Then why does cornsalad get it so often? Because when your better then your opponent and able to bully them around its a great item. Tobad your enemy at a tournament is just as good as you or better and now you wasted 1200 gold. Mejais lets you stomp noobs even harder then you would otherwise but will not let you beat a better player and will probably make you lose even harder. Thats the problem with it.
Mejais on kassa ok even if you're not better than your opponent because it's so easy to get stacks as kassa in arranged play, and in lane as kassa it doesnt matter that much if you have a blasting wand or a ss.
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Maybe it's something psychological along the path of mejai actually being very good on kassadin. Kassadin doesn't really need deathcap he needs hp/mana items along with defensive items, which is why RoA is so powerful. If you buy mejai's it's probably gonna be your deathcap for the entire game, especially when things are deemed to end rather quickly if you snowball. And if suddenly kassadin reaches a point where he has 8-10+ stacks, he will automatically be the focus, because letting him net more stacks, will only make him stronger, but the thing is AD carries along with AP tops and bruisers, deal a shit ton of damage aswell.
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If your ganking with Kassadin it doesn't matter most of the time wether you have 60 extra ability power or not. And its not unreasonable to expect to hardly die and get a couple assists in an even game as Kassadin. If you are quite behind it is less likely, but at the same time if you do end up randomly winning a team fight you are suddenly sitting on 10 stacks. Mejais is a perfectly reasonable item on Kassadin, on many other AP's its less ideal though unless you are sure you personally are going to be crushing.
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Ok, team Bubble's jungler is realllyyy late. If they have to forfeit this, it'll be quite sad. I say they should make the whole team pick random champions when they are late. That would be fun.
EDIT: oh wow a walkover for team OP. Oh well, no games today.
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2-0 walkover for Team OP. Sucks for Team Bubble to go through the online tournament and get to this point, and to lose like this. Need to show up on time, Mr. Jungler. :<
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whats with the walkover,mind explaining?
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On May 11 2012 19:40 Tarz wrote:
Ok, team Bubble's jungler is realllyyy late. If they have to forfeit this, it'll be quite sad. I say they should make the whole team pick random champions when they are late. That would be fun.
EDIT: oh wow a walkover for team OP. Oh well, no games today.
You're kidding, right?? I just sat down to watch this, missed the 3rd/4th place match, so really wanted to watch this.... Guess I'll pay for a one day pass and watch that game..
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