EPTThe thing about Sona (in my opinion) is that she has the best utility late game out of all the supports. Soraka and Taric feel significantly less noticable late game. Janna has some good moments, but nothing really compares to dat burst combined with the threat of her AoE stun winning a teamfight singlehandedly. Janna's ult can save a losing teamfight, but Sona's can turn a losing one into a victory ezpz.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
The thing about Sona (in my opinion) is that she has the best utility late game out of all the supports. Soraka and Taric feel significantly less noticable late game. Janna has some good moments, but nothing really compares to dat burst combined with the threat of her AoE stun winning a teamfight singlehandedly. Janna's ult can save a losing teamfight, but Sona's can turn a losing one into a victory ezpz. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:11 Gaslo wrote: Who is this Dedrayon guy SK has jungling? Newest member, or some kind of replacement? Where has he been playing before this? Not sure if this guy has a full ok but SK is still searching for players for their roster. I think Dedrayon is a potential. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:09 zulu_nation8 wrote: The hard cc doesnt matter when sona has infinitely more burst. With heal, it should literally be impossible for the enemy duo to kill sona without getting 2 for 1ed. Taric has (or at least, had) equivalent burst to Sona back before they gutted him, especially with the aid of an AD carry like MF, Sivir or Graves. He still kind of does, because Taric/MF and Taric/Sivir are still things. If he were to get returned to a place where his Q, W and R weren't all shitty versions of good abilities, he'd be fine competing with Sona. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:06 Niton wrote: That's what I mean - his remake significantly lowered the power of 2 abilities and left the other 2 in a neutral state. To be fair, I'd say that the buff to Shatter was at least a little better than a "neutral state". | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 08 2012 02:50 wei2coolman wrote: support don't really need gold, the only time I feel starved for gold when I'm playing support is the first 1-2 gp10 item, but the second I get my 2 gp10 items, I never run out of gold (for wards and oracles). seems like massive design flaw of mobas that 20% of your team is expected to sit back and plant wards around the map while spamming useless spells for atleast 50% of the time, just for that shining moment of using a non skill shot stun in a team fight before getting either blown up or just running away. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:14 Niton wrote: Taric has (or at least, had) equivalent burst to Sona back before they gutted him, especially with the aid of an AD carry like MF, Sivir or Graves. He still kind of does, because Taric/MF and Taric/Sivir are still things. If he were to get returned to a place where his Q, W and R weren't all shitty versions of good abilities, he'd be fine competing with Sona. Unless the Sona mispositions, taric has to walk up to sona or anyone to stun, and in that time he can get E chorded, Q chorded, E and Q chorded, ulted, and kited to death. The burst is not the same realistically even if the total damage do match. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Thats because Lee Sin is like the worst possible champion for his style. You NEED to be constantly farming with him in order to scale past level 2, but all TOO does is gank. The key with LS is to identify ganks that will end in kills, and just farm the rest of the time. TOO doesnt do that. He just throws ganks at the wall until something sticks. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:20 Two_DoWn wrote: Thats because Lee Sin is like the worst possible champion for his style. You NEED to be constantly farming with him in order to scale past level 2, but all TOO does is gank. The key with LS is to identify ganks that will end in kills, and just farm the rest of the time. TOO doesnt do that. He just throws ganks at the wall until something sticks. I just think he spends too much time standing around. Also he kept letting Regi steal wraiths when he was already really behind. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
And Dryus is quite the rager nowadays... | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:20 Two_DoWn wrote: Thats because Lee Sin is like the worst possible champion for his style. You NEED to be constantly farming with him in order to scale past level 2, but all TOO does is gank. The key with LS is to identify ganks that will end in kills, and just farm the rest of the time. TOO doesnt do that. He just throws ganks at the wall until something sticks. Consequently he becomes far too underfarmed and always ends up going wriggles -> 3 dorans and becomes irrelevant past the midgame. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: The constant farming thing doesnt work with LS, LS is meant for forcing ganks asap. I'm sure theoddone is aware he should only gank when it can result in a kill but when enemy laners get better, it becomes harder to pull off successful ganks. Whatever he does wrong is not theoretical. Then why is Diamondz and SV Lee Sin so much better than TOO's? Its because they know how to farm the jungle and he doesnt. And come level 3 if you arent constantly farming you WILL lose the game by being 3 levels back and having no items. As you said, it becomes harder to pull off ganks as lanes get better. The answer ISNT to throw more ganks at lanes and see what sticks. Its to sit back and farm and wait for actual opportunities and to force fights at buffs and dragons. | ||
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yenta
Poland1142 Posts
HSGG: http://www.clgaming.net/live/565-clg-hotshotgg Jiji: http://www.clgaming.net/live/7-clg-bigfatjiji Wickd: http://www.clgaming.net/live/304-clg-wickd Snoopeh: http://www.clgaming.net/live/2911-clg-snoopeh | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
CLGna vs CLGeu | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:26 NeoIllusions wrote: Slayer91 too stronk. And Dryus is quite the rager nowadays... Except at smiting baron. Man I was watching the hp so intently, suddenly everyone stops dpsing and as soon as its in smite range dyrus jumps over and smites it just before i did. haha, owned. It's okay though, cause I was legendary udyr just rapped them all anyway. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:26 NeoIllusions wrote: Slayer91 too stronk. And Dryus is quite the rager nowadays... if i had to live with rainman AND reginald in one room i would become mentally unbalanced as well :D i dont know why he did that, he doesnt even have a spot on their team. | ||
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InvaderUK
225 Posts
On February 08 2012 03:38 Slayer91 wrote: Except at smiting baron. Man I was watching the hp so intently, suddenly everyone stops dpsing and as soon as its in smite range dyrus jumps over and smites it just before i did. haha, owned. It's okay though, cause I was legendary udyr just rapped them all anyway. Flipping teut #1 at missing smites on important buffs. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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